• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

disneydude said:
Feigned outrage...nothing more. I am loving watching the right-wing falling all over themselves trying to make this an issue without realizing that Ronald Reagan, Laura Bush and GWB all made similar and even more involving appearances.
Click to expand...

Out of curiosity, have links to these "similar and even more involving" appearances or links actually verifying that? The bitching about this is ridiculous, but the pot shots backs seem as equally petty. Especially since people just seem to vaugely reference them. Are you going to actually provide something, or just feigning outrage over the feigned outrage?
 
The point being......the right-wing was basically salivating overthemselves trying to get to the airwaves as quickly as possible to feign their outrage that the First Lady would actually "lower" herself to make an Oscar appearance. They forgot that in today's day and age.....to check for some of their own before exposing their hypocrisy to the world.
 
So...

A taped message from the white house is similar to a trip to California to physically attend and present an award?

A taped message in the midst of a larger video montage is similar to a trip to California to physically attend and present an award?

A via sattelite message from the white house promoting charitable action is similar to a trip to California to physically attend and present an award?

And please...exactly which of those is the one you were suggesting is "even more inovolving" than what Michelle did? I'd be delighted to hear the answer.

Thank you for illustrating how the partisan hacks on the left and right are like peas in a pod with gross exaggerations and faux outrage. I'm sure to you Soccer and Basketball are very "similar" because they both involve a round ball, a team of athletes, and running back and forth on the playing surface and naturally expect everyone to treat their views of each in an equivilent manner as well.

No, the point being is you didn't want to get left out of the political hackiness party and decided to jump in head first with over exaggerated analogs to highlight your own pathetic feigned outrage and spotlighting your own hypocrisy. Bravo.

Complaining about michelle here is idiotic and hacky. Retorts like yours also fit with those adjectives beautifully.
 
Zyphlin said:
So...

A taped message from the white house is similar to a trip to California to physically attend and present an award?

A taped message in the midst of a larger video montage is similar to a trip to California to physically attend and present an award?

A via sattelite message from the white house promoting charitable action is similar to a trip to California to physically attend and present an award?

And please...exactly which of those is the one you were suggesting is "even more inovolving" than what Michelle did? I'd be delighted to hear the answer.

Thank you for illustrating how the partisan hacks on the left and right are like peas in a pod with gross exaggerations and faux outrage. I'm sure to you Soccer and Basketball are very "similar" because they both involve a round ball, a team of athletes, and running back and forth on the playing surface and naturally expect everyone to treat their views of each in an equivilent manner as well.
Click to expand...

What do you people NOT UNDERSTAND. Michelle Obama did not travel to California to physically attend and present an award. It was done via tape from the whitehouse. You need to get your facts straight before you try to attack me as being partisan on this issue. My point exactly is that the left didn't jump up and down salivating the way the right-wing has tried to do.
 
disneydude said:
Feigned outrage...nothing more. I am loving watching the right-wing falling all over themselves trying to make this an issue without realizing that Ronald Reagan, Laura Bush and GWB all made similar and even more involving appearances.
Click to expand...
Ever since the "Kenyan anti-colonialist" became President, the crazy exhibited by the stupid has indeed been priceless.
 
disneydude said:
What do you people NOT UNDERSTAND. Michelle Obama did not travel to California to physically attend and present an award. It was done via tape from the whitehouse. You need to get your facts straight before you try to attack me as being partisan on this issue. My point exactly is that the left didn't jump up and down salivating the way the right-wing has tried to do.
Click to expand...

And here I shall do what good posters should do.

Admit I was wrong.

When looking at the info of the ridiculous outrage, I kept seeing pictures of Michelle seemingly in a typical Oscar's type of gown with what seemed like other formal dressed individuals near her. That coupled with the statement of "presents" which usually indicates a physical precense over something like announces gave me the distinct impression she was actually AT the Oscars.

That was incorrect, and my last post was wrong and based off that incorrect understanding.

Point retracted, error noted and acknowledged.
 
Zyphlin said:
And here I shall do what good posters should do.

Admit I was wrong.

When looking at the info of the ridiculous outrage, I kept seeing pictures of Michelle seemingly in a typical Oscar's type of gown with what seemed like other formal dressed individuals near her. That coupled with the statement of "presents" which usually indicates a physical precense over something like announces gave me the distinct impression she was actually AT the Oscars.

That was incorrect, and my last post was wrong and based off that incorrect understanding.

Point retracted, error noted and acknowledged.
Click to expand...

and in the spirit of admitting our errors...I will admit that I was wrong in suggesting that others have had a more prominent role. I was under the belief that Reagan had appeared in person, at least that was my recollection. In checking I discovered that his was done via tape as well.
 
I figured that Reagan had probably actually ATTENDED at one point, I just figured that point would've been during his acting days or at best his Gubenatorial days, rather than when he was President.
 
I didn't watch the Oscars last night, but when morning TV showed the First Lady in the White House making a presentation I was impressed. Quite a coup for the Oscars.

Then I wondered if there would be a backlash from the radical right whiners. I did wonder who could be so bitter, so hateful, so small and partisan to attack the First Lady over this....

now I know.... :roll:
 
I knew as soon as Nicholson announced her name that conservatives were going to throw a fit. I love it. Haters gon' hate. :shrug:

It's funny that she presented the award to a film about the CIA though.

I also like that she took one of the most watched programs involving the arts to stress the important of the arts to children and education. Perfect venue for a worthwhile message.
 
I thought for sure the winner was going to be Lincoln when she presented it.....it was a good PSYCHE from the Oscar Producers.
 
Zyphlin said:
I figured that Reagan had probably actually ATTENDED at one point, I just figured that point would've been during his acting days or at best his Gubenatorial days, rather than when he was President.
Click to expand...

Now Nancy Reagan was very active socially and probably attended more social type events than any other first lady. Of course I never had a problem with that and think she was a great first lady.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
So you are getting angry at her for presenting an award at the Oscars when budget cuts that she isn't even remotely entangled in, are going to occur? How is she guilty by association?
Click to expand...

He/she is angry because we have the first black president. They still cant get over that fact.
 
To the best of my memory, I don't recall such vitriol directed towards Laura Bush in the years Dubya was in the WH. In the case of Michelle Obama, there a new hate thread ever week, it seems. I don't get it. Why is she such a favourite target here at DP?
 
Middleground said:
To the best of my memory, I don't recall such vitriol directed towards Laura Bush in the years Dubya was in the WH. In the case of Michelle Obama, there a new hate thread ever week, it seems. I don't get it. Why is she such a favourite target here at DP?
Click to expand...
I think MO has mistakenly been placed on the Hate Map at SPLC. I know I get all my hate directives from there.
 
madman said:
He/she is angry because we have the first black president. They still cant get over that fact.
Click to expand...

And that's a rather ignorant statement based seemingly off nothing bug prejudice and bigotry. Wonderful job.

If there's something most can't "Get over" when it comes to a President it's likely that the other side won and nothing to do with their race. People bitching about this by and large aren't doing it for any different reason than Rosy O'Donnell and Joy Behar criticized George and Laura Bush for appearing on American Idol...pure partisan sour grapes. It wasn't because Bush was a "redneck texan" or because Obama's "black" because the same thing would've happened if we turn the world back 15 years and this was Bill Clinton and Hillary.

But thanks for the mindless race card being played simply because you desire to stereotype anyone that says a boohoo towards the Obamas
 
Zyphlin said:
And that's a rather ignorant statement based seemingly off nothing bug prejudice and bigotry. Wonderful job.

If there's something most can't "Get over" when it comes to a President it's likely that the other side won and nothing to do with their race. People bitching about this by and large aren't doing it for any different reason than Rosy O'Donnell and Joy Behar criticized George and Laura Bush for appearing on American Idol...pure partisan sour grapes. It wasn't because Bush was a "redneck texan" or because Obama's "black" because the same thing would've happened if we turn the world back 15 years and this was Bill Clinton and Hillary.

But thanks for the mindless race card being played simply because you desire to stereotype anyone that says a boohoo towards the Obamas
Click to expand...

Of course it's ignorant, just like this god damn thread is.
 
Middleground said:
To the best of my memory, I don't recall such vitriol directed towards Laura Bush in the years Dubya was in the WH. In the case of Michelle Obama, there a new hate thread ever week, it seems. I don't get it. Why is she such a favourite target here at DP?
Click to expand...

If I were to try to come at this honestly, my view of it would probably reflect my view on a lot of things in terms of today compared to yester year....

One, you're seeing more about it on DP because there's more users and more posters then there was anytime during Bush's presidency. More people tends to mean more people buying into stupid ginned up "controversies" meaning more posts about it.

Two, at least from my recollection, Michelle seems to be far more active in the public eye than Laura was by and large, or at the very least gets a lot more media attention surrounding here. For instance, the entire thing regarding the public face of the "My Plate" rework of the Food Pyramid and "Let's Move" campaign, and the public promotion campaign that kind of went along with it, is unlike anything I can remember in terms of scope and media exposure for Laura.

Third, Michelle was getting media attention for some time even before the Presidency. Articles about her in Essense in 2006, multiple appearances in Vanity Fair and People for "Best Dressed" prior to becoming FLOTUS, etc. Her magazine exposure didn't stop after becoming FLOTUS either. Only other First Lady than Hilldawg to land on the cover of Vogue. First person to be on the cover of Better Homes and Gardens for almost half a century. The entire story surrounding her, along with her looks and age, and her own personality, make her far easier to latch onto as a socialite and as a "celebrity" of sorts than someone like Laura Bush. Michelle Obama comes off as a celebrity (and I'm not meaning that as a negative), Laura Bush came off as a Country Club Debutante. One is significant more appealing to cover and promote in the media.

Finally, I think it's just the ongoing trend of Media exposure and Social Communication. Laura is the only First Lady we can even compare in a relatively similar time period...and even then, if you think back to the first half of her Husbands presidency to what we have now it's still starkly different. 24/7 networks were common, but not nearly as prevalent. But more than that social media like Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and the gigantic blogosphere was a shadow of what's there today. The more space there is for noise, the more noises is generated, and I fear that in the future if we have another charismatic, young, outgoing FLOTUs that we're going to look back wondering if Michelle Obama had it as bad as her.

In this particular case, I don't think there's some inherent greater interest to make her a "favorite target" but rather a symptom of the realities of the world we live and the differences in terms of the personalities and personas of the past first ladies and herself.
 
Conservative news outlet edits Michelle's photo.


original:
jfQ5DSa.jpg



Edited version:

cites religious purposes


I see religious fundies are at it again.
Conservative media edits...

:2wave:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom