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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Michelle is not anti-traditional First Lady. She's doing a fairly typical job as First Lady. She just has more media attention and a developed fashion sense (which you can put to media bias if you want, I'm certainly not opposed to that....and the latter I care almost nothing about).
    As I said, she's non-traditional when it comes to the traditional role women have historically played in society in terms of her career and her outspokenness. This is undeniable. She is a lawyer and held several executive positions at the University of Chicago. She is also much more vocal and dominating than the traditional woman when it comes to expressing her opinions and advocating the cause she's taken up as First Lady. Like Hillary, she challenges the traditional role of women in a way that people like Laura and Barbra Bush did not and consider that much of the criticism directed at Michelle from conservatives is along the lines of "stop telling us what to do" and "shut up" and "go away" (the same type directed at the non-traditional Hillary Clinton), I would say that her non-traditionalism plays a role in such criticism.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

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    As I said, she's non-traditional when it comes to the traditional role women have historically played in society in terms of her career and her outspokenness. This is undeniable. She is a lawyer and held several executive positions at the University of Chicago. She is also much more vocal and dominating than the traditional woman when it comes to expressing her opinions and advocating the cause she's taken up as First Lady. Like Hillary, she challenges the traditional role of women in a way that people like Laura and Barbra Bush did not and consider that much of the criticism directed at Michelle from conservatives is along the lines of "stop telling us what to do" and "shut up" and "go away" (the same type directed at the non-traditional Hillary Clinton), I would say that her non-traditionalism plays a role in such criticism.
    I frankly do not think her lawyer background comes to the minds of her critics. I think it is the perceived overreach anytime a liberal makes Federal appeals for public policy...which gets worse when it comes to relatively benign but still contentious changes to school nutrition, for instance. When Laura was promoting literacy, that seemed less contentious than nutrition. When Hillary was charged with doing a lot of the leg work for a major public policy measure, that was when the traditionalism remark really made sense to bring up. Then there's the criticism of anyone connected to the administration. You'll see this with every administration. I do think that the criticism Michelle is getting is heavier than Laura, to be certain, but I don't think it is non-traditionalism.
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    Too Hot for the Mullahs… Iranian Regime Photoshops Michelle Obama’s Dress - See more at: Too Hot for the Mullahs… Iranian Regime Photoshops Michelle Obama’s Dress | The Gateway Pundit





    Too much skin. They had to cover her up.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    As I said, she's non-traditional when it comes to the traditional role women have historically played in society in terms of her career and her outspokenness. This is undeniable. She is a lawyer and held several executive positions at the University of Chicago. She is also much more vocal and dominating than the traditional woman when it comes to expressing her opinions and advocating the cause she's taken up as First Lady. Like Hillary, she challenges the traditional role of women in a way that people like Laura and Barbra Bush did not and consider that much of the criticism directed at Michelle from conservatives is along the lines of "stop telling us what to do" and "shut up" and "go away" (the same type directed at the non-traditional Hillary Clinton), I would say that her non-traditionalism plays a role in such criticism.
    Neither Obamas are attorneys anymore. Both gave up their licenses and in the Case of Michelle Obama. She did so to avoid prosecution for fraud. This you can get from the IARDB.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    As I said, she's non-traditional when it comes to the traditional role women have historically played in society in terms of her career and her outspokenness. This is undeniable. She is a lawyer and held several executive positions at the University of Chicago. She is also much more vocal and dominating than the traditional woman when it comes to expressing her opinions and advocating the cause she's taken up as First Lady. Like Hillary, she challenges the traditional role of women in a way that people like Laura and Barbra Bush did not and consider that much of the criticism directed at Michelle from conservatives is along the lines of "stop telling us what to do" and "shut up" and "go away" (the same type directed at the non-traditional Hillary Clinton), I would say that her non-traditionalism plays a role in such criticism.
    No, her supposed "non-traditionalism" has nothing to do with anything. In fact, she's been mostly traditional. Where some folks object to her is where they have always objected to any FLOTUS who got too loud. The FLOTUS is a show piece and folks complain when they get too vocal. Mostly because they are not elected and most folks don't see them as part of government.

    If she wants to exercise her badass lawyering skills, she should run for an office on her own dime. As it is now, her position is just a perk we throw the elected POTUS.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I frankly do not think her lawyer background comes to the minds of her critics. I think it is the perceived overreach anytime a liberal makes Federal appeals for public policy...which gets worse when it comes to relatively benign but still contentious changes to school nutrition, for instance. When Laura was promoting literacy, that seemed less contentious than nutrition. When Hillary was charged with doing a lot of the leg work for a major public policy measure, that was when the traditionalism remark really made sense to bring up. Then there's the criticism of anyone connected to the administration. You'll see this with every administration. I do think that the criticism Michelle is getting is heavier than Laura, to be certain, but I don't think it is non-traditionalism.
    I definitely think that her background and demeanor are in the minds of many her most fierce critics. The vast majority of people project the prejudices they have about careers, class, race, gender and so on onto other people to some extent. There's no reason to think Michelle Obama would be exempt from that. Even when people have non-prejudicial criticisms of others, their prejudices may still impact their judgement. Therefore, while people may be criticizing Michelle because of the genuine problem they have with actions in terms of how they perpetuate the liberal conception of government and reflect the tone of the current administration, they may also be projecting their conceptions of what the role of women ought to be onto her behavior. Considering the role that prejudice plays in the vast majority of interactions, I think that's a reasonable position.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Neither Obamas are attorneys anymore. Both gave up their licenses and in the Case of Michelle Obama. She did so to avoid prosecution for fraud. This you can get from the IARDB.
    Not true.

    FactCheck.org : The Obamas’ Law Licenses

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Where some folks object to her is where they have always objected to any FLOTUS who got too loud. The FLOTUS is a show piece and folks complain when they get too vocal.
    Just supported my point. Thank you.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I definitely think that her background and demeanor are in the minds of many her most fierce critics. The vast majority of people project the prejudices they have about careers, class, race, gender and so on onto other people to some extent. There's no reason to think Michelle Obama would be exempt from that. Even when people have non-prejudicial criticisms of others, their prejudices may still impact their judgement. Therefore, while people may be criticizing Michelle because of the genuine problem they have with actions in terms of how they perpetuate the liberal conception of government and reflect the tone of the current administration, they may also be projecting their conceptions of what the role of women ought to be onto her behavior. Considering the role that prejudice plays in the vast majority of interactions, I think that's a reasonable position.
    I say the reason that they don't have her lawyer background in mind is because it's not widely discussed, unlike her husband's academic career, which is.
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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I say the reason that they don't have her lawyer background in mind is because it's not widely discussed, unlike her husband's academic career, which is.
    It's pretty widely known that she came from an "elite" background. Hell, her critics have even referred to her as "uppity" and elitist.

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