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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    I'll be honest, I remember the comments about her looks and figure beginning in ernest more around the time she started pushing the My Plate / Let's Move thing than at the start of the Presidency. A few comments? Yes. But the major uptick happened around that time. And while I thought many were crass, when you're actively being the face of an initiative on healthy eating and physical fitness you open yourself up to become a target in terms of your physical appearance rightly or wrongly.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Seriously... is there ANYWHERE we can get away from them?
    At a Capitals game? I mean, who would ever hear of a black person at a hoc-....



    Damn you Joel Ward! Once again you cause me pain, ruining my perfectly placed racial joke.

    Sorry Josie, that was my best guess...out of ideas.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Seriously... is there ANYWHERE we can get away from them?
    Well, this is the United States of America and the Obamas are the President and First Lady, so you could ... move.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And that's a rather ignorant statement based seemingly off nothing bug prejudice and bigotry. Wonderful job.
    Nah, not an ignorant statement. I know some people like to put their head in the sand and pretend that race never enters people's mindsets and freak out whenever someone mentions that - gasp - racism could play a part in how people view a black First Lady, but positing racism in a society where racism still demonstrably exists is just as fair as positing other explanations.

    Actually, never-mind, let's just pretend that racism could never be a part of anything and accuse anyone who suggests otherwise of prejudice and bigotry to make ourselves feel better and avoid ever having to have genuine discussions about the place race has in our society.


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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Nah, not an ignorant statement. I know some people like to put their head in the sand and pretend that race never enters people's mindsets and freak out whenever someone mentions that - gasp - racism could play a part in how people view a black First Lady, but positing racism in a society where racism still demonstrably exists is just as fair as positing other explanations.
    All well and good except the individuals comment wasn't a general notion that some people somewhere dislike them because they're black. It was about a specific poster on this forum feeling that way with zero evidence of that other than the fact the person dislikes Obama. I've noted numerous times on this forum, and even alluded to it in this thread, that some people absolutely are racist and dislike them due to race. But the vast majority of people who dislike Obama do so for the same root reason they likely disliked Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and to a lesser extent Al Gore and John Kerry.

    But thanks for playing.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Nah, not an ignorant statement. I know some people like to put their head in the sand and pretend that race never enters people's mindsets and freak out whenever someone mentions that - gasp - racism could play a part in how people view a black First Lady, but positing racism in a society where racism still demonstrably exists is just as fair as positing other explanations for criticism from the fact that Michelle is more in the limelight or other theories.

    Actually, never-mind, let's just pretend that racism could never be a part of anything and accuse anyone who suggests otherwise of prejudice and bigotry to make ourselves feel better and avoid ever having to have genuine discussions about the place race has in our society.

    Wow, you played both the if you don't like it leave the country card, AND the criticism must be inherently racial since we live in a racist society card in back-to-back posts.

    A new leftie record folkses.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    To the best of my memory, I don't recall such vitriol directed towards Laura Bush in the years Dubya was in the WH. In the case of Michelle Obama, there a new hate thread ever week, it seems. I don't get it. Why is she such a favourite target here at DP?
    I think Hillary got a lot of hate too and, to be honest, I think it has a lot to do with the traditionalism and politics of the right. There are more people on the right who think women should fill more traditional roles. Hillary and Michelle are the exact opposite of that. Not only are they professional nontraditional, they are also outspoken and open about their opinions in a way that flies in the face of the traditional role women have played historically. I think that that genuinely rubs a lot of the conservative base the wrong way.

    I also, in spite of how apparently untouchable this topic is, think race plays a factor. There are enough studies out there that show that internalized prejudice and racism is still pretty rampant in American society. While Democrats may have those same prejudices, their political support for the Obamas may override those sentiments, particularly when it comes to vocalizing those thoughts. Republicans don't support the Obamas politically so, just as some Democrats projected their prejudice against Southerners on Bush, I think quite a few Republicans are projecting their issues with race onto the the Obamas.

    In sum, I think race and gender play a role in addition to some of the factors that Zyphlin mentioned.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Wow, you played both the if you don't like it leave the country card, AND the criticism must be inherently racial since we live in a racist society card in back-to-back posts.

    A new leftie record folkses.
    When are conservatives going to stop referring to arguments they disagree with as "cards" so that they don't have to address them?

    Also, I didn't say that "criticism must be inherently racial." You shouldn't change people's words because it usually changes the meaning of what they said.
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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think Hillary got a lot of hate too and, to be honest, I think it has a lot to do with the traditionalism and politics of the right. There are more people on the right who think women should fill more traditional roles. Hillary and Michelle are the exact opposite of that. Not only are they professional nontraditional, they are also outspoken and open about their opinions in a way that flies in the face of the traditional role women have played historically. I think that that genuinely rubs a lot of the conservative base the wrong way.
    The words SARAH and PALIN were screaming at me when I read this. Please re-assess your worldview--this ain't the 50s.

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    Re: Michelle Obama surprises Oscars by presenting Best Picture award

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Proof that people can whine and cry about anything. I would be embarrassed to be so ****ing petty.
    Wasn't outraged by her showing up in the Oscars presentation. Wasn't delighted by it either.

    But there isn't any denying that it was a bit weird.



    (And would have been at least a little awkward/ironic if Zero Dark Thirty had been the winner of Best Picture.....)


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