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Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper

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Looks like there was more to the pope resigning than his poor health. There seems to be a scandal after all: a network of gay clergy, blackmail, theft...juicy stuff.

Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper | World news | The Guardian

A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.
 
Looks like there was more to the pope resigning than his poor health. There seems to be a scandal after all: a network of gay clergy, blackmail, theft...juicy stuff.

Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper | World news | The Guardian

Same old, same old. I think I read a quote by Matthew Fox that said a monk should "carry a backpack, not a basilica." Spirituality, not religion, the message. I think it means the collection baskets are suffering and an upper management shuffle is the "Corporate" cure. After all, someone has to manage all that bling, eh?
 
I have read reports that he has been in poor health, has had secret surgeries, and apparently is just fed up with the boggled church administration that is just unnecessarily sucking the life out of him. This probably goes toward the latter.
 
Same old, same old. I think I read a quote by Matthew Fox that said a monk should "carry a backpack, not a basilica." Spirituality, not religion, the message. I think it means the collection baskets are suffering and an upper management shuffle is the "Corporate" cure. After all, someone has to manage all that bling, eh?

Imagine how much good the Church could do for the poor with all that wealth if it really stood for helping the poor.
 
Imagine how much good the Church could do for the poor with all that wealth if it really stood for helping the poor.

You've hit the nail upon the head. That is the separation between "religion" and "spirituality."
 
the butler insisted he was trying to expose internal wrongdoing by releasing the confidential papal documents
said he was trying to help the pope, who seemed unaware of what wrongdoing was being committed in the pope's name
 
Being 85 and having a pacemaker and not being able to see out of 1 eye.

Conspiracy Theory?
 
At its core, the belief of the Catholic Church is to have people deny a basic component of what it means to be human - sex. That is why so many of these scandals center around that reality.
 
Same old, same old. I think I read a quote by Matthew Fox that said a monk should "carry a backpack, not a basilica." Spirituality, not religion, the message. I think it means the collection baskets are suffering and an upper management shuffle is the "Corporate" cure. After all, someone has to manage all that bling, eh?

There's a saying, I can't remember the import, but they say "A religious person is someone who doesn't want to go to hell. A spiritual person is someone who has been to hell and doesn't want to go back".

Always liked that one...
 
This "scandal" is interesting in that it seems only the Vatican seems surprised by the results. I mean, come on, almost everyone with a pulse already knew the Cardinals were queer as orange beer. From movies and books to quite conversation around the dinner table, no one doubted the prevalence of hanky panky at the Vatican. It must have been the worst kept secret on earth.
 
This is strictly my opinion and so may not be based on anything other than what I have learned. When the current pope was just a cardinal, Pope John Paul II put him in charge of the investigations into child molestations in the church (fact). he did next to nothing while in that office. then when he became pope the **** hit thte fan and the road led to him. I understand that he is old but as i understand it the last pope to "resign" in thte 14th century did so under "questionable" circumstances.

When was the last time the Catholic Church or any major religion admitted doing anything morally or socially wrong? Duh
 
At its core, the belief of the Catholic Church is to have people deny a basic component of what it means to be human - sex. That is why so many of these scandals center around that reality.

Every parishoner generally participates in "sex." Now, for the collection baskets to be full, it helps to have guilty parishioners and a system that allows one to purchase forgiveness, whether you just want to use a little greenmail to get forgiven what might have been some really good sex or maybe a big player who can afford to purchase a "plenary indulgence" that is a "guaranteed on paper, signed and sealed by hisself" that you goin' to heaven. Anyways, sex hits at everyone's home and puts the guilt in the right spot, usually near the wallet and this generates investment capital and petty cash for dressy bling. Da' pope, he gots da' bling and his minions threads be sporty as well, don't ya' know. The collection system be workin' flawless, methinks.
 
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