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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    For me as long as we have OPEC deciding how much money American families get to keep, the US Oil Futures Market buying up all the oil on the planet before its even pumped out of the ground then scalping it to the refineries at an inflated cost, people who either hate our guts and want us out of their land and are willing to commit mass murder against Americans to that end, those who use oil to control the American economy who taking our money to build palaces and oppress their own people and s long as petroleum holds what is essentially a no competition monopoly on personal transportation its not a fake crisis in my humble opinion.

    I'm not personally so much in the same camp of those who insist that "green electricity" is all that important but I do think alternatively fueled automotive technology is a within reach, completely feasible national security emergency. Well, green electricity only to the extent the concerns of those who fear alternatively fueled cars will lead to rolling blackouts need to be eased (usually based IMHO on a dishonest hypothetical model that assumes every single internal combustion engine car in America will be instantly replaced with a plug-in electric car and will need to be not recharged while people are in bed for the night over night but during peak demand office hours at rates of electrical consumption).

    I personally understand that transitions are bumpy. Most major transitions the country are gone through went through had seasons of initial adjustments, some more difficult than others but IMHO worth it in the long run. I'm personally not happy with murderous dictators in the Middle East controlling the US economy. I'm not happy with terrorists thinking mass murder is the way to "cleanse the land of the infidels" while WE hand over our hard earned money to pay for it or not be able to get to work. I know we have to defend ourselves against terrorism but I'd rather see us not be involved in the region in the first place. I don't like seeing nuclear proliferation make advancements because rouge regimes with oil have all the money they need to invest in nuclear weapons R&D because we choose to dig in our heels and oppose non-nuclear R&D because our favorite political pundit or news channel tells us freeing ourselves from a monopoly is communism and lets the environmentalism wackos win while we lose.
    The transition isn't just "bumpy" as you put it, it is insane. Our entire infrastructure is built on traditional energy, and little has been done to change that. So for all the talk of wanting to switch to "green energy" it just plain doesn't exist to the level it needs to even make a dent in traditional energy. But, strangling traditional sources for an energy pipe dream is suicide.
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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    No, you guys kept telling them that was what the other side was saying. That is not what the other side was saying.
    No. Major Republican and conservative figures literally said this outright. People on this message board literally said this outright.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, this is not a new argument for sure....But, I think that the numbers have been hashed, rehashed, and baked again and served in thread after thread. Let me approach it this way, do you agree that the US artificially holds down its production of oil, natural gas, and coal due to not only over burdensome regulation, but on political considerations as well?
    Yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The US also artificially holds down industry with all those terrible, burdensome regulations regarding "safety gear" and "not dumping toxic waste in the nearest river." Like everything, it's a cost/benefit question. What do we gain by opening up ANWR, and does this make it worth the damage done to the wilderness area?

    If you can't even tell me how much you think gas prices would reduce by, how on earth am I supposed to evaluate that choice?
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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No. Major Republican and conservative figures literally said this outright. People on this message board literally said this outright.
    So I should judge all democrats by what people here say? Well, which major republican figure called people "leeches"

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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

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    And do you think that price is reasonable?
    Not even in the slightest.
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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The transition isn't just "bumpy" as you put it, it is insane. Our entire infrastructure is built on traditional energy, and little has been done to change that. So for all the talk of wanting to switch to "green energy" it just plain doesn't exist to the level it needs to even make a dent in traditional energy. But, strangling traditional sources for an energy pipe dream is suicide.
    We can use the term suicide metaphorically and then we can look and real actual deaths of people who have lost their very lives as a consequence of our national oil monopoly and if you reverently consider those who have perished due to oil rooted and funded terrorism, the courageous military personnel who have given their lives in our defense against those who would kill us over oil related entaglement and of for a moment also think about the innocent people in the Middle East who due to no fault of their own happened to be born in an oil rich war zone and the number dead over oil could populate a large city. What's really disturbing is considering the petroleum monopoly, which our no competion traditional energy infrastructure supports has us in the present bondage to entaglement with the most dangerous people on earth due to well documented successful efforts to crush any competition to oil over the decades was driven by greed. I'm perfectly okay with pursuing profits and in fairness, although anti-trust activities are at best unethical methods to keep consumers economically enslaved to them, nobody could have predicted 9/11 and its response and the incredible loss of human life on all sides.

    I don't like paying through the nose for gas anymore than the next guy, in fact I probably resent it more than most. I do firmly believe we need other options with respect to personal transportation than oil and thankfully we're taking those steps now. I also am persuaded the financial costs of investing in automotive alternative energy advancements are a drop in the bucket compared to the financial costs of the war on terror, the war in Iraq and other oil monopoly triggered conflict response.
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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The US also artificially holds down industry with all those terrible, burdensome regulations regarding "safety gear" and "not dumping toxic waste in the nearest river." Like everything, it's a cost/benefit question. What do we gain by opening up ANWR, and does this make it worth the damage done to the wilderness area?
    Oh come on Deuce....Look, I grew up in Michigan, during the 70's and early 80's when the pollution of the Grand river through Lansing, and lakes like Erie, Superior, and Saginaw bay were polluted enough to damn near garner super funding for clean up. Today they are in never before clarity seen in my lifetime. The air is cleaner, and the general mood of people keeping their areas litter free is vastly improved. But it's just never good enough for the eco perfectionists is it? In their eyes the problem is human existence isn't it....?

    If you can't even tell me how much you think gas prices would reduce by, how on earth am I supposed to evaluate that choice?
    I would think the pricing when Bush left office, IOW, the prices that Bush left Obama @ $1.86 per gallon, now maybe if Obama hadn't been artificially tamping down inflation, that price may be somewhere around $2.30, or $2.40 per gallon, but $4.00? come on! We know what's going on here....This is Cas Sustien's 'nudge'.....
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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh come on Deuce....Look, I grew up in Michigan, during the 70's and early 80's when the pollution of the Grand river through Lansing, and lakes like Erie, Superior, and Saginaw bay were polluted enough to damn near garner super funding for clean up. Today they are in never before clarity seen in my lifetime. The air is cleaner, and the general mood of people keeping their areas litter free is vastly improved. But it's just never good enough for the eco perfectionists is it? In their eyes the problem is human existence isn't it....?
    I'm glad you agree pollution control is not inherently bad.



    I would think the pricing when Bush left office, IOW, the prices that Bush left Obama @ $1.86 per gallon, now maybe if Obama hadn't been artificially tamping down inflation, that price may be somewhere around $2.30, or $2.40 per gallon, but $4.00? come on! We know what's going on here....This is Cas Sustien's 'nudge'.....
    Are you trying to tell me that you actually believe opening ANWR would reduce gas prices to $2? I've got a bridge to sell you in California!

    You seem to have completely suppressed the per-recession gas prices from memory. Impressive.
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    Re: Gas prices climb to four-month high

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm glad you agree pollution control is not inherently bad.
    Of course not, I am a conservative. But you ignored the question in that paragraph...This much I expected.

    Are you trying to tell me that you actually believe opening ANWR would reduce gas prices to $2? I've got a bridge to sell you in California!
    ANWAR by itself? No, and no one said that...That is your strawman. I am saying that a comprehensive (since y'all love that word) approach, including exploitation of our total resource package, oil, gas, coal, and green would have not only kept prices low at what you define as the worst economic time since 1932, but would created jobs, and possibly the greatest recovery ever. That could have been Obama's legacy, and would have ensured demo's a legit place at the table of not wanting to destroy their own country.

    You seem to have completely suppressed the per-recession gas prices from memory. Impressive.
    And you ideologically suppress much as well.
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