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Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

sangha said:
Yes, I did single out the strict CCW regs. For give me for not saying the same exact thing every time.

And as far as how shall issue would change things, I'm not a psychic. I do believe in not fixing things that aren't broken
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No evidence just excuses. Typical.
 
sangha said:
Yes, I did single out the strict CCW regs. For give me for not saying the same exact thing every time.

And as far as how shall issue would change things, I'm not a psychic. I do believe in not fixing things that aren't broken
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It is broken. honest people are denied permits and their right to carry a weapon for self defense if they are not rich, well connected or the right ethnicity. Public safety is but one issue, individual rights is another. when both are maximized things are optimal
 
TurtleDude said:
It is broken. honest people are denied permits and their right to carry a weapon for self defense if they are not rich, well connected or the right ethnicity. Public safety is but one issue, individual rights is another. when both are maximized things are optimal
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You're right. There does need to be a balance.

NYC seems to have the right balance for NYC.
 
sangha said:
You're right. There does need to be a balance.

NYC seems to have the right balance for NYC.
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we disagree since there is no evidence the may issue has increased public safety
 
Black Manta said:
You know what? You can think what you like. Maybe after you read what I said and actually prove you can understand it and other things in English, I will post something in reply.
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Your argument got stuffed, so you're going to claim that I can't read? Nice!...lol
 
Here is what I said...

Black Manta said:
Our elected officials. This is why we elect them, to speak for us and pass laws as we the people need or want.
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To which you said...

apdst said:
Elected officials don't have carte blanche to pass any law they want. That's why we have a costitution.
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Now please point our where I said anything even close? The sad part is it was not even a response to you, it was to question regarding who makes the laws and decides what to charge for what government service.

So again your comment was worthless.
 
The problem is that we do elect officials...and they, once elected don't listen, instead opting to pursue an agenda based on their own bias, and ideological dogma. They are elitists that think they know better than those whom elected them, and the American people are either too apathetic, or too stupid to see that, and toss them out on their well padded asses when they do such.

In today's climate in DC we have an ideologue in office now, that is doing things the old Stalin way. By either reacting to, or creating crisis's that are not there, and then whipping up the sheeple into a frenzy to hurry up and pass crap that takes their God given rights away, Americans have NO idea what they are doing here, and that is changing America from the most prosperous, most successful nation in history, to just another run of the mill banana republic run by a tin pot, progressive wanna be dictator.

We have history written down, why don't we learn it?
 
Oceandan said:
Yet via abortion we kill 330,000 thousand babies a year. Equal to Newtown happening 46 times every day. Just think had young master Lanza done his deeds to the same children just six or seven years earlier he'd be a hero on the left as an abortionist.
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Let me help with this. Via abortion we terminate 330,000 fetuses a year...

Why does everything have to be related to legal abortion?
 
Texmex said:
It's called Manta Math.
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Not really, in your case it's called "clueless Texmex comment" So the stupidity of your post ranks right up there with sangha, who has yet to post anything even relevant.
 
Black Manta said:
Not really, in your case it's called "clueless Texmex comment" So the stupidity of your post ranks right up there with sangha, who has yet to post anything even relevant.
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Yet you are drawn like a moth to a flame, how strange.
 
jamesrage said:
The way the media and anti-2nd amendment tards act you would think these mass shootings would be in the millions.
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Just my opinion," one mass shooting and killing " is way to many! ijs:peace
 
Black Manta said:
More than 900 people died in mass shootings during the past seven years, and a majority of them were killed by people they knew, according to a USA TODAY analysis of gun-related slayings.

The 934 deaths account for less than 1% of all gun-related homicides, and nearly half involve a suspect slaying his or her family members, the detailed examination shows. USA TODAY combed through FBI records and news accounts to identify 146 mass shootings since 2006 that matched the FBI definition of mass shooting, where four or more people were killed.

A separate analysis of 56 mass shootings since 2009 provided to USA TODAY by a group of mayors promoting gun control reaches similar conclusions. More than half – 57% – of cases examined by Mayors Against Illegal Guns involved domestic violence. The group, co-founded by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, is made up of more than 850 U.S. mayors - .Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

I will give the article a thumbs up for saying that most gun crime is with pistols. It's not a bad article even if I don't agree with some of it.
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Does "more than 1" = "mass" now?
 
mac said:
Does "more than 1" = "mass" now?
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You are asking the wrong person. I have problems understanding the liberal media or mind now days.
 
mac said:
Does "more than 1" = "mass" now?
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Does "Click on the link and read the article" mean nothing now?

How about "read the OP!"...nothing?

The 934 deaths account for less than 1% of all gun-related homicides, and nearly half involve a suspect slaying his or her family members, the detailed examination shows. USA TODAY combed through FBI records and news accounts to identify 146 mass shootings since 2006 that matched the FBI definition of mass shooting, where four or more people were killed.
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sangha said:
Does "Click on the link and read the article" mean nothing now?

How about "read the OP!"...nothing?
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Thanks for illustrating my point.
 
Pasch's 2c

There are two primary issues with guns and gun violence in this country. The first, more than ANYTHING ELSE, is poverty. Poverty causes crime. It drives people into gangs, it drives them into black market enterprises, it makes people desperate. The single most effective way to combat crime is to combat poverty. You need to get people educated, employed, and middle class, and crime, especially violent crime, will go down. The only kinds of crime that aren't reduced by getting people out of poverty are crimes of passion, which really can't be prevented anyway.

Except maybe for the second issue. Anti-social attitudes. Extreme individualism and an "us vs them" mentality all contribute to violence. That is why the pro gun crowd is wrong. Even when they are correct, which they sometimes are, the violent and isolationist mentality that they espouse is dangerous to the safety of the country. Paranoia and distrust within a community make people willing to hurt each other.

Also, there is one uncomfortable truth that the pro gun group has to deal with. The real main cause of gun violence in this country is because of the proliferation of guns. That only happens because of the huge market for private ownership. If you guys weren't buying guns the way you do, there would not be guns for criminals to steal from you and use to hurt people. However, it's too late to undo that, unless the market disappears. Stop buying guns, stop being a market for guns to be made and sold, and they will disappear over time.

I was very VERY surprised at Joko's numbers about the number of gun uses to stop crime per year. I read the studies those numbers come from and while it doesn't take into account the problem that any number of the uses of guns may have been unnecessary. But I highly doubt that ALL of them were. So perhaps private gun ownership really is a deterrent to innocent people being victimized by crime. But it was private gun ownership that enabled criminals to get guns to violence the innocent with in the first place. But again, the guns are here, so we need to think about the future.

The way to reduce violent crime is by getting people out of poverty. That's all there is to it.
 
Paschendale said:
Pasch's 2c

There are two primary issues with guns and gun violence in this country. The first, more than ANYTHING ELSE, is poverty. Poverty causes crime. It drives people into gangs, it drives them into black market enterprises, it makes people desperate. The single most effective way to combat crime is to combat poverty. You need to get people educated, employed, and middle class, and crime, especially violent crime, will go down. The only kinds of crime that aren't reduced by getting people out of poverty are crimes of passion, which really can't be prevented anyway.

Except maybe for the second issue. Anti-social attitudes. Extreme individualism and an "us vs them" mentality all contribute to violence. That is why the pro gun crowd is wrong. Even when they are correct, which they sometimes are, the violent and isolationist mentality that they espouse is dangerous to the safety of the country. Paranoia and distrust within a community make people willing to hurt each other.

Also, there is one uncomfortable truth that the pro gun group has to deal with. The real main cause of gun violence in this country is because of the proliferation of guns. That only happens because of the huge market for private ownership. If you guys weren't buying guns the way you do, there would not be guns for criminals to steal from you and use to hurt people. However, it's too late to undo that, unless the market disappears. Stop buying guns, stop being a market for guns to be made and sold, and they will disappear over time.

I was very VERY surprised at Joko's numbers about the number of gun uses to stop crime per year. I read the studies those numbers come from and while it doesn't take into account the problem that any number of the uses of guns may have been unnecessary. But I highly doubt that ALL of them were. So perhaps private gun ownership really is a deterrent to innocent people being victimized by crime. But it was private gun ownership that enabled criminals to get guns to violence the innocent with in the first place. But again, the guns are here, so we need to think about the future.

The way to reduce violent crime is by getting people out of poverty. That's all there is to it.
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The city of Chicago alone topped that 7 year total in less than 2. Pretty remarkable when you think about it. And as the article says...that is LESS THAN 1% of all killings. Meanwhile...in that same 9 year span there have been just under NINETY THOUSAND murders, dominantly committed by gangs and against minorities. Funny...less than 1% gets all the press. No...wait...that's not funny. That's...sad.
 
sangha said:
Yes, I did single out the strict CCW regs. For give me for not saying the same exact thing every time.

And as far as how shall issue would change things, I'm not a psychic. I do believe in not fixing things that aren't broken
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So you then ARE saying that gun laws in NYC are sufficient and the crime rates including gun crime rates are acceptable?
 
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