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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Gang violence is a issue.mental illness is a issue. Every issue has to be considered, including that of guns.
    Guns, in and of themselves, are harmless. They are a tool. If you don't have crazy people willing to pick them up and shoot innocent people, guns mean nothing at all.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I am not arguing for stoping it, I am arguing for regulating it.
    How do you suggest doing that when it's already been said, gangs ignore the laws and regulations?
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You arrest the gang members, ALL of them, as co-conspirators in any gang crime - many are felons, so ANY gun is their second (at least) felony. You enact and use three strikes laws to keep them off of the streets permanently. You prosecute all that harbor them or do not "snitch". You make the gangs fear the law, not the other way around. You make the public support the law. You legalize drugs, cutting off their primary income source. In case you have not yet figured it out, guns do not commit crime - they are only tools.
    Deal with the biggest street gangs in America first.



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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    If you can own a weapon legally, you can get a CCW. No one is being denied who can legally own a weapon.
    Not in NYC. The restrictions are exceedingly tight



    Wrong again. As I said if you can legally own a weapon, you can get a conceal carry in your state of residence. Even out of state in some cases. So no.
    Not true in NYC

    Do you know anything on this subject? Or are you just guessing and making things up?
    You are obviously wrong about the restrictions that have been in place in NYC for many years.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not in NYC. The restrictions are exceedingly tight
    Then don't live in NYC. I know I never would.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How do you suggest doing that when it's already been said, gangs ignore the laws and regulations?
    Tight restrictions on CCW and stop and frisk is what worked in NYC
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not allowing the majority of people who want to carry concealed the ability to do so is most certainly a restriction.

    It is a constitutionally allowable restriction, but a restriction nonetheless
    It should not be a Constitutionally allowed restriction. It simply amounts to allowing each state to charge 2A rights rental fees. The 2A makes no distinction between the right to keep and bear arms, they are one right, not two separate rights. The addition of a $100 (10 hour) "NRA" class and a $140 (in Texas) CHL "application fee" with the same background check which was required to buy the handgun is insane. When a driver's license is $24 (in Texas) which includes both the written and practical tests ($8 more for motorcycle also), the background check and the photo ID. Imagine the outrage if states were permitted to issue "go to church" permits or "have an attorney present during police questioning" permits. Allowing states to rent Consitituional rights back to their citizens "in the name of public safety" is insane. Simply including that 10 hour training in a basic HS education or making it available for a reasonable (same as driver's license) cost would accomplish that goal. The current CHL practice is simply trying to exclude as many poor folks as possible, while generating as much state revenue as possible.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not in NYC. The restrictions are exceedingly tight
    Man look at those restrictions!

    A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, who is over 21 years of age, who has not been convicted of a serious offense, who states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness, who is not subject to a protective court order and to whom no good cause exists for the denial of the license. The age requirement shall not apply to persons honorably discharged from the military. (Persons between age 18 and 21 may possess a handgun at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms. A person between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate supervision). - New York Concealed Carry Permit Information

    Wait those are the same exact laws governing gun ownership in every state.

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    Not true in NYC
    As shown above yes it's true. Please stop making stuff up.

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    You are obviously wrong about the restrictions that have been in place in NYC for many years.
    Obviously you are operating on false assumptions.... Again

    And yes I am laughing at your total lack of knowledge.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Tight restrictions on CCW and stop and frisk is what worked in NYC
    As I have just shown your "tight restrictions" is an absolute and utter lie.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Man look at those restrictions!

    A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, who is over 21 years of age, who has not been convicted of a serious offense, who states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness, who is not subject to a protective court order and to whom no good cause exists for the denial of the license. The age requirement shall not apply to persons honorably discharged from the military. (Persons between age 18 and 21 may possess a handgun at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms. A person between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate supervision). - New York Concealed Carry Permit Information

    Wait those are the same exact laws governing gun ownership in every state.
    Those are the laws for NY STATE. The laws in NY CITY are far more restrictive.



    As shown above yes it's true. Please stop making stuff up.
    What you've shown above is that you don't recognize the difference between NY State and NY City


    Obviously you are operating on false assumptions.... Again
    Yes, the "false assumption" that there's a difference between "New York State" and "New York City"
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