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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You mean "enforcing the laws which gun nuts think are unconstitutional, leave people defenseless, and increase crime"
    No. I mean what I said. Nice dishonest and lame try though. Keep beating that defenseless strawman.

    Conceal and carry is a good thing. It is also enforceable for those who don't legally have a license. It requires an FBI background check etc. They don't just give them out. Carrying concealed without a license in NY is a felony which is why the aggressive enforcement worked..

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see. They were arrested for violating law which restrict gun ownership, but it had nothing to do with laws which restrict gun ownership
    You obviously can't read as I said nothing even close. Conceal and carry has nothing at all to do with ownership.

    Try again.

    I notice you left this out so you could try to build your strawman and take my statements out of context....

    Had nothing to do with citizens legally owning guns or assault weapons. If the other gun laws were to disappear tomorrow, it would make no difference in the crime drop. Which coincidentally had not a damn thing to do with Bloomberg. - Black Manta

    Again nice try.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    No. I mean what I said. Nice dishonest and lame try though. Keep beating that defenseless strawman.

    Conceal and carry is a good thing. It is also enforceable for those who don't legally have a license. It requires an FBI background check etc. They don't just give them out. Carrying concealed without a license in NY is a felony which is why the aggressive enforcement worked..



    You obviously can't read as I said nothing even close. Conceal and carry has nothing at all to do with ownership.

    Try again.

    I notice you left this out so you could try to build your strawman and take my statements out of context....

    Had nothing to do with citizens legally owning guns or assault weapons. If the other gun laws were to disappear tomorrow, it would make no difference in the crime drop. Which coincidentally had not a damn thing to do with Bloomberg. - Black Manta

    Again nice try.
    The people arrested under S&F were arrested for concealed carry. Carrying a weapon is as much a right as owning one under the 2nd.

    However, I am pleased to see that you are not bothered by restrictions on the right to carry a concealed weapon. That is progress IMO.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    See my signature line...
    Since your study specifically picked SEVEN Years, multiple the number of violent crimes, rapes, murders avoided by 7 and the number of home invaders driven off also by 7.
    What doesn't the media EVER report that? Why don't you give a damn? 7,000,000 violent assaults against people avoided and 3,500,000 home invaders driven off due to private gun ownership.
    It might be a bad analogy, but in the same vein as your signature line - the vast majority of people who get a flu shot in order to prevent contracting the flu succeed even though a small percentage of those people die from complications. The government does not move to ban all flu shots nor do they try to discourage people from getting the flu shots simply because a relative few die using them.

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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The people arrested under S&F were arrested for concealed carry. Carrying a weapon is as much a right as owning one under the 2nd.
    No it's not. Nice stretch. It is up to the sates and local governments to decide that issue as upheld by the SCOTUS. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with the ability to carry openly or concealed in any municipality. The people were arrested for illegal conceal and carry. Nothing unconstitutional about it as they still must follow state regulations on conceal carry.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    However, I am pleased to see that you are not bothered by restrictions on the right to carry a concealed weapon. That is progress IMO.
    Another incorrect strawman.

    I am not bothered by the state and local governments exorcising there own laws about conceal and carry. Conceal and carry is a right, but is regulated by each state.

    You already look like you have no clue as to what you are talking about. So please continue.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    No it's not. Nice stretch. It is up to the sates and local governments to decide that issue as upheld by the SCOTUS. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with the ability to carry openly or concealed in any municipality. The people were arrested for illegal conceal and carry. Nothing unconstitutional about it.



    Another incorrect strawman.

    I am not bothered by the state and local governments exorcising there own laws about conceal and carry. Conceal and carry is a privilege, not a right.

    You already look like you have no clue as to what you are talking about. So please continue.
    I am pleased that you do not object to restrictions on CCW. I hope that more gun nuts come along to your position on the matter
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am pleased that you do not object to restrictions on CCW. I hope that more gun nuts come along to your position on the matter
    It is not a restriction. It is regulated by the state. Illinois tried to stop it, but now they must come up with regulations to allow it.

    Stop with the strawman already, you lost. Get over it a move on to something legitimate.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am pleased that you do not object to restrictions on CCW. I hope that more gun nuts come along to your position on the matter
    Here is your original statement...

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In NYC (you know, the city that Bloomberg is actually the Mayor of) they did exactly that. They studied the problem, and came up with a solution. Now, gang-related shootings have dropped dramatically.

    Can anyone guess which policies contributed greatly to this reduction in gun crime?
    All of which has been proven to be completely and utterly wrong on all fronts.

    Trying to redirect and call names like "gun nuts" will not save face. You already have egg on it.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    It is not a restriction. It is regulated by the state. Illinois tried to stop it, but now they must come up with regulations to allow it.

    Stop with the strawman already, you lost. Get over it a move on to something legitimate.
    Not allowing the majority of people who want to carry concealed the ability to do so is most certainly a restriction.

    It is a constitutionally allowable restriction, but a restriction nonetheless
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not allowing the majority of people who want to carry concealed the ability to do so is most certainly a restriction.
    If you can own a weapon legally, you can get a CCW. No one is being denied who can legally own a weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is a constitutionally allowable restriction, but a restriction nonetheless
    Wrong again. As I said if you can legally own a weapon, you can get a conceal carry in your state of residence. Even out of state in some cases. So no.

    Do you know anything on this subject? Or are you just guessing and making things up?
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

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    Then how does one deal with guns purchased by gangs.
    Who says gangs buy guns? They usually steal them or get them off the black market.
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