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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet, you never back it up with any facts
    Oh really?

    Your initial quote and my reply...

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In NYC (you know, the city that Bloomberg is actually the Mayor of) they did exactly that. They studied the problem, and came up with a solution. Now, gang-related shootings have dropped dramatically.

    Can anyone guess which policies contributed greatly to this reduction in gun crime?
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Well it was not the gun laws since Chicago's gun laws were just as restrictive and yet they are high on the crime list. It was aggressive policing that helped turn it around....

    "The department began analyzing victim reports daily to target resources to where crime patterns were emerging. Top brass held commanders accountable for the safety of their precincts. And officers were expected to intervene when they observed someone acting suspiciously—maybe asking the person a few questions, perhaps frisking him if legally justified. In so doing, they sent the message in violence-plagued areas that law and order was still in effect. - Heather Mac Donald: How to Return New York City to the Street Gangs - WSJ.com

    As Chicago, Detroit and Washington DC shows gun laws had almost nothing to do with it.

    A little research goes a long way.
    So wrong again.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet again, you won't back it up with a quote of mine saying what you claimed I said
    I don't have to. You have posted no evidence at all, none. All the evidence supports what I have been saying.

    Try again.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have massive problems with leaving that to the discretion of bureaucrats.

    I believe there should be a liability clause that allows someone denied to personally sue if they were denied

    there should be no discretion IMHO
    I think there are valid points on both sides of this issue, but may issue has worked out well for NYC. It's hard to argue with success.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    New York State. I admit I had it confused.
    I wasn't talking about NY State. You were the only one



    That has nothing to do with the crime drop. So it has nothing to do with it.
    The tight CCW regs combined with stop and frisk have contributed to the drop in gun crimes in NYC
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I think there are valid points on both sides of this issue, but may issue has worked out well for NYC. It's hard to argue with success.
    I disagree-people shouldn't have to hire a lawyer (assuming they can afford one) to have a carry right. and a shall issue environment has not proven to lead to more crime in any area where it has been implemented.

    I find it amusing that the anti gun editor of the NYT and Joan Rivers can get a carry permit but your average Cabbie cannot



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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Oh really?

    Your initial quote and my reply...


    So wrong again.



    I don't have to. You have posted no evidence at all, none. All the evidence supports what I have been saying.

    Try again.
    You have yet to post a quote of mine where I say that gun regs alone caused the drop in crime, as you dishonestly claimed.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I wasn't talking about NY State. You were the only one





    The tight CCW regs combined with stop and frisk have contributed to the drop in gun crimes in NYC
    are you saying that

    if people were able to get CCWs in a shall issue environment that would hurt NYCs effort?



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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    are you saying that

    if people were able to get CCWs in a shall issue environment that would hurt NYCs effort?
    No, what I said was that NYC's strict regs combined with stop and frisk contributed to the drop in gun crime.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, what I said was that NYC's strict regs combined with stop and frisk contributed to the drop in gun crime.
    I saw you saying that strict CCW (may issue)

    Here it is

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I wasn't talking about NY State. You were the only one





    The tight CCW regs combined with stop and frisk have contributed to the drop in gun crimes in NYC

    so again how would a shall issue environment interfere with this policy



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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so again how would a shall issue environment interfere with this policy
    He is dishonest. He knows damn well he was going to say the "strict gun laws" because CCW in NYC has nothing at all to do with the drop in crime, nothing. He was also not going to mention what I did.

    Don't even bother he will just twist and lie some more.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I saw you saying that strict CCW (may issue)

    Here it is




    so again how would a shall issue environment interfere with this policy
    Yes, I did single out the strict CCW regs. For give me for not saying the same exact thing every time.

    And as far as how shall issue would change things, I'm not a psychic. I do believe in not fixing things that aren't broken
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