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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That was exactly the argument that you initially presented to defend the high cost of a CHL - the ability to afford the "high cost" of a handgun. When shown how rediculously out of proportion it was, you now blow it off as not important? There is no valid reason to charge 10x the fee for a CHL than for a DL except to try to limit those that can afford it. Get real!
    That is not what I said. I said if they can afford a gun, that minor tax is nothing. Has nothing to do with the cost of a car or any other cost of owning a car. I was showing the cost of owning a car is and was not applicable. If you want to own something you pay the price, period. If you want a sports car, you pay the price plus all lic docs and fee's, period. Same for a gun.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    What facts? That owning a gun cost less than owning a car? Owning a car is not even remotely related or comparable to owning a weapon of any type. Of course never let reality get in the way of a good argument seems to be the motto of you two. It is a silly apples to oranges comparison based on nonsense.
    Please note the number of injuries and deaths attributed to car use compared to those for gun abuse. They are both clearly "pubilc safety" issues (but with many more deaths and injuries from cars), and both have the same "administrative" costs to the state - they are simply plastic cards with photos on them (apples to apples).
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Please note the number of injuries and deaths attributed to car use compared to those for gun abuse. They are both clearly "pubilc safety" issues (but with many more deaths and injuries from cars), and both have the same "administrative" costs to the state - they are simply plastic cards with photos on them (apples to apples).
    Has nothing at all to do with anything I said. They are not comparable. never were and never will be. You mite as well compare the flavor of an orange to the flavor of an apple. One is no better than the other and really can't be compared. Comparing gun safety to car safety and correlating cost is ridicules.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    That is not what I said. I said if they can afford a gun, that minor tax is nothing. Has nothing to do with the cost of a car or any other cost of owning a car. I was showing the cost of owning a car is and was not applicable. If you want to own something you pay the price, period. If you want a sports car, you pay the price plus all lic docs and fee's, period. Same for a gun.
    Except owning a car isn't a costitutional right and I shouldn't have to pay for a permit to excercise my civil rights.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Yea because that is exactly what I said. Jeeesh.
    That is exactly what you said. You tried to justify the high cost of a CHL based on the high cost of a handgun. Stating that poor folks can surely afford both, $350 for a handgun and then an additional $240 for permission to carry rental (4 years), $70 (plus refresher class fee) for CHL renewal.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Mental illness is a small issue compared to gang violence where guns are concerned. Gang violence accounts for 80%+ of gun crime. So why are they focusing so much attention on mental illness? Only one person doing a mass shooting was able to buy a gun legally because the background check missed his mental background. The others were not gotten legally. So mental illness played only a small role, it would have made no difference.

    Stop freaking wasting time on things that are mostly irrelevant to push a political agenda that promotes banning of weapons based on stupidity.
    And everyone knows that gangs buy their guns at gun shows, gun shops or from their own internal FFL dealers.
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Tight restrictions on CCW and stop and frisk is what worked in NYC
    Stop and Frisk?
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    Re: Mass shootings toll exceeds 900 in past seven years

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except owning a car isn't a costitutional right and I shouldn't have to pay for a permit to excercise my civil rights.
    Unfortunately the SCOTUS says they do "states" have the right to regulate it. No denying that.
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