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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

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    Because most human beings don't see "let them die in the street" as being a reasonable option.
    Who said that was ok?
    Nice that you put words in my mouth.

    There is a fundamental problem with requiring others who have the ability to ruin themselves and make you completely liable for it.
    The state doesn't remove their right for them to continue to incur costs, etc, with you being the person who has to pay for it.

    And what happens if that puts you in the streets?
    Whose rights are more important?
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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This is only a story because the pro-choice crowd is appalled by her choice.
    I'm late to this thread and I'm certain this repulsive statement has already been shredded by others. Let me state that you are wrong on so many levels. The entire heart of being pro-choice is choice. No pregnant woman should ever be forced to bring a pregnancy she does not want to term... and no pregnant woman should ever be forced to terminate a pregnancy she wants. Choice. It's a beautiful thing.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm late to this thread and I'm certain this repulsive statement has already been shredded by others. Let me state that you are wrong on so many levels. The entire heart of being pro-choice is choice. No pregnant woman should ever be forced to bring a pregnancy she does not want to term... and no pregnant woman should ever be forced to terminate a pregnancy she wants. Choice. It's a beautiful thing.
    Being late to this thread, you may want to review some of the posts to get a flavor for what seems to be important to some posters. I, personally, find it curious that those who claim to support a woman's choice, when it involves keeping the child, also favor a parent's ability to be vindictive and petty towards their child when dealing with that choice.

    I'm sure if the daughter had chosen to abort the child and her parents reacted to that choice by taking away her car and other previously enjoyed privileges, those who favor choice would be attacking the parents here, not supporting them for exercising their "parental rights".

    The thing about being pro-choice, which I am, is that you have to respect the choice, accept the choice, even when you hate the choice. So, with respect, you can save your lecture for others.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I'm pro choice and I fully support her being able to make her own decision and believe that her parents are in the wrong. Can you find me a single pro-choice person that has argued that the parents should be able to force her to get an abortion or that she shouldn't have the right to choose?
    I might lean that way. I haven't given the issue much thought, but my knee-jerk reaction is to give control to the parents when discussing such decisions and minors

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Being late to this thread, you may want to review some of the posts to get a flavor for what seems to be important to some posters. I, personally, find it curious that those who claim to support a woman's choice, when it involves keeping the child, also favor a parent's ability to be vindictive and petty towards their child when dealing with that choice.

    I'm sure if the daughter had chosen to abort the child and her parents reacted to that choice by taking away her car and other previously enjoyed privileges, those who favor choice would be attacking the parents here, not supporting them for exercising their "parental rights".

    The thing about being pro-choice, which I am, is that you have to respect the choice, accept the choice, even when you hate the choice. So, with respect, you can save your lecture for others.
    Abortion is a human rights battle. It's a small portion of the greater picture really. You have a group who wants the discretion to take away life based on a personal decision, you have a group that wants to preserve life, regardless of personal decisions, and you have the unborn victim, who is subject to the decisions of others, with no voice of their own to add. Democracy at work. Taking advantage of the voiceless.

    In general, you have the Godless who would make decisions over life never realizing they themselves would be god.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Abortion is a human rights battle. It's a small portion of the greater picture really. You have a group who wants the discretion to take away life based on a personal decision, you have a group that wants to preserve life, regardless of personal decisions, and you have the unborn victim, who is subject to the decisions of others, with no voice of their own to add. Democracy at work. Taking advantage of the voiceless.

    In general, you have the Godless who would make decisions over life never realizing they themselves would be god.
    I appreciate your view, but I don't think those who so broadly favor abortion are such deep thinkers - while almost all people favor abortion when the life of the mother is at stake, the progression from that to abortion on demand is one that follows western civilization's trend towards individual hedonistic "rights". There is no big picture for such people, it's all about "what I want, and I want it now".

    That said, I don't believe that government should be in the pro or anti abortion business, one way or another - it is a personal choice - I very much respect individual choice while I also reserve the right to abhor the choice.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Being late to this thread, you may want to review some of the posts to get a flavor for what seems to be important to some posters. I, personally, find it curious that those who claim to support a woman's choice, when it involves keeping the child, also favor a parent's ability to be vindictive and petty towards their child when dealing with that choice.

    I'm sure if the daughter had chosen to abort the child and her parents reacted to that choice by taking away her car and other previously enjoyed privileges, those who favor choice would be attacking the parents here, not supporting them for exercising their "parental rights".

    The thing about being pro-choice, which I am, is that you have to respect the choice, accept the choice, even when you hate the choice. So, with respect, you can save your lecture for others.
    With respect, no I will not. You made a statement, based upon your personal opinion, that I found repulsive and wrong. I responded to that post, based upon my personal opinion, as to why I found it repulsive and wrong. If you don't want to be "lectured"... otherwise known as disagreement... then I suggest, again with respect, that as long as you post on a debate forum, you will be "lectured/disagreed" with on a fairly frequent basis. That is, after all, why we are here!

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    I honestly don't know what is right or wrong anymore. This situation is so messed up.

    Both sides are wrong. I can't even put my finger on it. I think the coercion of the parents or the reaction of the courts all suck. I just don't know anymore. What the hell is going on today? What happened to frigging black and white, wrong and right. It's all grey area's and it stinks.

    I want my old America back with all it's faults and prejudices. At least we knew what we stood for and what was right. Now days who gives a squat anymore we can just sue and blame someone else for everything, ridicules.

    I am glad I am older because I don't want to see this place in another 30 years.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    With respect, no I will not. You made a statement, based upon your personal opinion, that I found repulsive and wrong. I responded to that post, based upon my personal opinion, as to why I found it repulsive and wrong. If you don't want to be "lectured"... otherwise known as disagreement... then I suggest, again with respect, that as long as you post on a debate forum, you will be "lectured/disagreed" with on a fairly frequent basis. That is, after all, why we are here!
    Generally speaking, debate and disagreement offers an opposing view of an opinion stated by another, with some basis or rationale for that disagreement - it doesn't simply offer an emotional brain fart solely for effect - at least, not since I left highschool several decades ago.

    So, dear, you can be repulsed all you want but you in no way proved I was wrong. And yes, you are correct, this is a public forum and people are free to engage with whomever they choose. I'm still new here, so I'm still learning who to ignore - but I am learning.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Generally speaking, debate and disagreement offers an opposing view of an opinion stated by another, with some basis or rationale for that disagreement - it doesn't simply offer an emotional brain fart solely for effect - at least, not since I left highschool several decades ago.

    So, dear, you can be repulsed all you want but you in no way proved I was wrong. And yes, you are correct, this is a public forum and people are free to engage with whomever they choose. I'm still new here, so I'm still learning who to ignore - but I am learning.
    I'm not your "dear". Condescention is not your friend. My view that the daughter's choice to bring the child to term should have been respected is in no way an "emotional brain fart." Yes, you're new here, and with every post you make you are revealing to long-time DP posters what value and relevance you will contribute to this forum. Or not.

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