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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Any and all fertilization's of any and all eggs I've ever been a contributor to have either miscarried naturally, or were born into healthy happy daughters.

    I've never been a factor in any abortion anywhere on this earth.

    What I'm struggling with is why the parents of the pregnant girl would be forced to pay for anything by court of law.
    The parents of the pregnant girl appear to now be victims and in some way hostage to their daughter and her choices.

    What rights do the parents of the pregnant girl have here?

    It appears they have none.

    Is that the case? Is that appropriate for this situation?
    Her parents have the same rights as every other citizen.

    They also have a duty to provide (and pay for) medical care for their child.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Any and all fertilization's of any and all eggs I've ever been a contributor to have either miscarried naturally, or were born into healthy happy daughters.

    I've never been a factor in any abortion anywhere on this earth.

    What I'm struggling with is why the parents of the pregnant girl would be forced to pay for anything by court of law.
    The parents of the pregnant girl appear to now be victims and in some way hostage to their daughter and her choices.

    What rights do the parents of the pregnant girl have here?

    It appears they have none.

    Is that the case? Is that appropriate for this situation?
    With all due respect, you make it sound like the daughter committed a crime and the parents are the victims. If an underage child vandalized a car, as an example, courts would likely order the parents to pay for the damage. It may seem unfair to you, but being a parent comes with responsibilities not only to see to the care of the child but to ensure that the child doesn't cause society any harm.

    In this case, the court isn't treating the parents as victims of their daughter - the court is simply stating two things, in my view - first, they are responsible for the health and wellbeing of their under-age daughter just as they would be if she developed cancer or something else that required medical care - secondly, that they cannot punish their daughter because she chooses to carry her child and give birth. Most parents wouldn't need a court to tell them that.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't want to get into the argument again today, I'll simply accept that we disagree, which is natural in a world where people have freedom of opinion and thought.
    Which doesn't absolve you from holding the contemptible view that pro-choice people are "appalled" by her choice.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Which doesn't absolve you from holding the contemptible view that pro-choice people are "appalled" by her choice.
    I don't need to be absolved - I'm quite happy and content to hold the view - it's a shame you feel it's necessary that I hold your view - I find that contemptible.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't need to be absolved - I'm quite happy and content to hold the view - it's a shame you feel it's necessary that I hold your view - I find that contemptible.
    You don't have to hold my view, and I have no problem with you wallowing in your own ignorance. I just think its only fair of my to point it out as you do it. I have never said you have to hold my view, but it is ignorant of you to assume that people that disagree with you are appalled at the girls choice as though we all think all fetuses should be aborted without delay. That's where I judge you, the ignorance you display in painting an entire side with one incompetent and bumbling brush stroke.

    And of course your happy, ignorance is bliss after all.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You don't have to hold my view, and I have no problem with you wallowing in your own ignorance. I just think its only fair of my to point it out as you do it. I have never said you have to hold my view, but it is ignorant of you to assume that people that disagree with you are appalled at the girls choice as though we all think all fetuses should be aborted without delay. That's where I judge you, the ignorance you display in painting an entire side with one incompetent and bumbling brush stroke.

    And of course your happy, ignorance is bliss after all.
    And you can happily wallow in your own views - it troubles me not. Nor does it trouble me that you disagree with me or that you choose to be personally insulting about it - I'm used to that approach from liberals who believe debate entails attacking the person rather than just the ideas.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm used to that approach from liberals who believe debate entails attacking the person rather than just the ideas.
    Lol, you're the person that insulted the entire other side of the isle with your very first post in this thread, lol. And they you try to blame it on liberals?

    Wow, ok. Yea, blame it on the evil liberals, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Lol, you're the person that insulted the entire other side of the isle with your very first post in this thread, lol. And they you try to blame it on liberals?

    Wow, ok. Yea, blame it on the evil liberals, lol.
    No, I did no such thing - firstly, I simply indicated my view of why this particular situation was a story - since I'm pro-choice, it's hard for me to accept that I was insulting myself, but you seem to think I attacked everyone - it is possible, you know, to abhor abortion but to be respectful of individual choice. Secondly, I didn't blame anything on liberals, I simply pointed out that liberals like you prefer to attack a person rather than his/her ideas - you validated that view, perfectly.

    Finally, I believe we've both made our positions clear and nothing is gained by continuing. Therefore, I wish you a good day and I hope you have fun.

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Lol, you're the person that insulted the entire other side of the isle with your very first post in this thread, lol. And they you try to blame it on liberals?

    Wow, ok. Yea, blame it on the evil liberals, lol.
    You just don't understand.

    CJ makes a hateful and ignorant statement attacking libruls, and when people call him on it, it's because libruls want to force everyone to agree with them

    It's not easy being victimized so. It takes a lot of effort to be a perpetual victim, so cut him some slack
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You just don't understand.

    CJ makes a hateful and ignorant statement attacking libruls, and when people call him on it, it's because libruls want to force everyone to agree with them

    It's not easy being victimized so. It takes a lot of effort to be a perpetual victim, so cut him some slack
    What a surprise we'd get the benefit of your idiocy today. What ignorant or hateful statement did I make attacking liberals? - I'll spell it correctly, since I'm an adult and I'm not in your play group. You do know, presumably, that the pro-choice/anti-abortion issue is not a left/right issue?

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