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    Re: Report: China military involved in U.S. hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Being a licensed FAA mechanic gives you zero
    qualifications regarding supersonic military aircraft.



    Yes it was. Most Soviet military equipment was maintained by conscripts and often in really remote areas.



    Actually readiness rate is one of the most importance considerations for military aircraft. There is little point in having a super-cool tech toy if it isn't available to fly. The C-130 is still in service for that exact reason.



    The SR-71 was a dedicated reconnaissance aircraft built in tiny quantities. Its performance is unmatched, but it can do exactly one thing and at great cost.



    Leaking fuel all over the place is an obvious pain in the ass and a massive safety hazard. It was fine for the blackbird because it only built in tiny numbers and had specialized crews, but would have been unacceptable for general use. There is reason why other military aircraft don't hit Mach 3+ even if it is technically possible.




    The SR-71 never flew over Russia, so your story is full of crap.



    No, I am committed to the realities of engineering. Your accusation is laughable especially given that I work towards American technological advances.




    Once you steal/license enough technology to catch up to the current state of the art, you have no choice but to build your own. You can look at the historical progress of the Americans, Soviets and Japanese to see how it works. Once the Chinese can no longer progress by stealing, they will obviously turn to R&D. China already produces a variety of its own designs for military equipment.
    Actually being certified by the FAA to repair everything from Cesna 172 to working on turbine engines gives me the exact qualifications to work on supersonic military aircraft. Sure I haven't done it in over 20 years but I forget nothing. Oh but wait, we didn't learn the concepts of supersonic airframes and engines.

    How ridiculous.

    Your work towards Americas technological advances ? In what ? Toaster ovens ? God help us.

    And of course the SR-71 was built for recon specific reasons. Are you kidding ?

    And your cost assesment of highly classified missions " one thing and at a great cost" is a desperately. eroneous statement.

    Trust me your not qualified to make off the cuff innacurate cost assesments concerning highly classified SR-71-Sorties.

    And it never flew over Russia ? I guess you have access to the entire list of classified Sorties the SR-71 flew.

    And your working on toaster ovens ? Something doesn't smell right and its not Jet-A.

    Actually JP-77 . But wait it's " dangerous " dropping fuel like that.

    Its Jet Fuel, Mr Toaster Oven engineer extrordinaire. Jet fuel is basically Kerosene and although flamable it has low volatillity.

    Someones more likely to injure themselves slipping in it than it being a fire hazard. You can put out lit matches by throwing the. into a bucket of Jet-A. Dangerous, plueeeze.

    Go back to your Wikepedia education on SR-71 s and get back to work on improving those toaster ovens.

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    Re: Report: China military involved in U.S. hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The SR-71 never flew over Russia
    How can you be so sure?
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    Re: cyber wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    A greater concern would be, if we go to war with China we will be thrown back to 1960 technology wise. It would not be easy to start up electronics manufacturing overnight. If money is no object we would still have a lack of equipment to replace the electronics we get from Asia. We have lost alot of the labor and engineering that knows how to do this work. Infrastructure wise we depend on sources of equipment from dubious "friends" in the world. If you want a threat to US national defence, this is the one I am worried about.
    You could find those in less dubious real friends in the world.
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    Re: Report: China military involved in U.S. hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    How can you be so sure?
    He has access to highly classified mission descriptions which include, date, time, pilot, altitude, speed, destination, tire pressure, fuel capacity........it's obvious right ?
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    Re: Report: China military involved in U.S. hacking

    I see the neo-cons are spreading their paranoia nicely.

    When times are tough - distract the masses by finding an enemy.

    This spy stuff goes on all time - by both sides.



    No wonder they are called 'ignorant masses'.

    Imo, China is virtually no serious military threat to the United States.

    Financially, maybe.

    But not militarily.
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    Re: Report: China military involved in U.S. hacking

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    How can you be so sure?
    After the Gary Powers incident, manned reconnaissance flights over the USSR were viewed as an unacceptable political risk. There are obviously no U.S. records of any such flight. This is confirmed by statements from both pilots who flew the aircraft and the people who built it. There are plenty of records of the Soviets playing tag with SR-71's, but they stuck to neutral airspace.

    You can always make wild claims about still classified missions, but you would have to include the Russians in the conspiracy as well. There was no logical reason to risk another political incident when unmanned platforms were available and there is no evidence from anyone about such a mission.

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    Re: cyber wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Their are few things more embarrassing that watching the citizens of the most powerful nation in the world whine like a fat kid who had his cupcake taken away. Yes China is going to try and improve their technological base by stealing research, its the entirely practical thing to do.
    That's right, they are. Just like Jihadists are going to try to kill infidels in order to make really awesome recruiting videos. Taking exception to either is not "whining like a fat kid who had his cupcake taken", nor does the fact that others have incentives to do us harm mean that we shouldn't alter those incentives by demonstrating the capability and willingness to do harm right back.

    meanwhile, the Chinese may want to consider the health of their gas pipelines. Paybacks' a B----.

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    Re: cyber wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's right, they are. Just like Jihadists are going to try to kill infidels in order to make really awesome recruiting videos. Taking exception to either is not "whining like a fat kid who had his cupcake taken", nor does the fact that others have incentives to do us harm mean that we shouldn't alter those incentives by demonstrating the capability and willingness to do harm right back.
    Comparing stealing tech data to terrorism is most definitely in the emotional whining camp. The "harm" caused by corporate espionage is theoretical lost revenue. Sure its worth trying to stop with better security, but there is hardly any important national interest at stake.

    meanwhile, the Chinese may want to consider the health of their gas pipelines. Paybacks' a B----.
    Setting honey traps with useless or harmful data is exactly the kind of response that might actually be useful. It acts as a deterrent without actually engaging in hostile action that could upset the economic apple cart.

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    Re: cyber wars?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Comparing stealing tech data to terrorism is most definitely in the emotional whining camp. The "harm" caused by corporate espionage is theoretical lost revenue. Sure its worth trying to stop with better security, but there is hardly any important national interest at stake.
    It's hardly theoretical - and it' runs well up into the billions. Hundreds of them, I believe, although true total cost is difficult to measure, as companies are understandably reticent about publicly admitting how their IT systems can be broken into. And actually it is a fairly good comparison - both are forms of Information Operations that one undertakes because one lacks the ability to achieve ones' goals in more conventional ways. Nor is there "hardly any important national interest" at stake - the Chinese aren't interested only in how to make better lighbulbs - they would also like to know how to make better stealth fighters. Classified information is classified explicitly because its release (say, by being taken by the Chinese) is deemed harmful to the national interest.

    Setting honey traps with useless or harmful data is exactly the kind of response that might actually be useful. It acts as a deterrent without actually engaging in hostile action that could upset the economic apple cart.
    Well, the Chinese went asymmetric because they paid v-e-r-y good attention in 1991. They would shift to whatever domain of conflict they have less of a relative disadvantage in, as would we. It just so happens that in the cyber domain we probably have a fairly good advantage. The Chinese appear to have over-estimated our willingness to take a thumb in our eye indefinitely.
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