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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Their right to own slaves. Right?
    Their right to own property.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Their right to own property.
    more accurately: - The secessionists refused to accept the idea that owning another human being was a violation of the laws of the nation.

    So you are saying basically that owning a human was no different than owning a horse or a house or a lot of land?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, thanks to Lyndon Johnson and a liberal congress, those things are a thing of the past. However, should Ron Paul ever be elected President and the Civil Rights Act repealed, we could see it again.
    You actually used these two in the same sentence? You're just making **** up now. Show me where Ron Paul is against civil rights.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    more accurately: - The secessionists refused to accept the idea that owning another human being was a violation of the laws of the nation.

    So you are saying basically that owning a human was no different than owning a horse or a house or a lot of land?
    During that time period, wasn't that the thinking?
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    During that time period, wasn't that the thinking?
    Only for the minority who refused to accept the possibility that they were wrong - after all the Bible said slavery was OK with YWHW, so why couldn't they do the same thing.

    You can read the apologists who try to babble on and on how "the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed: without noting the verses that follow this statement:
    Exodus 21:16 (NASB95) - " He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." - Biblia.com
    20 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished.

    21 “If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.
    Then there is Leviticus 25:39-46
    39 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves.
    40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.
    41 Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors.
    42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves.
    43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    more accurately: - The secessionists refused to accept the idea that owning another human being was a violation of the laws of the nation.

    So you are saying basically that owning a human was no different than owning a horse or a house or a lot of land?
    No, I'M not saying that. I'm saying that was the perspective of the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Their right to own property.
    Blacks are nothing but property then. Something to be bought and sold and done with as Master wills.

    Let me ask this. Do you think it bad that the Confederates lost the war?

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You know, thats a good question. I'm a patriot sure, my oldest is in the Navy.

    I love my Country but I'm not the one who voted in ideologue who's agenda seems to be economic anihilation.

    Texas is home. My lineage goes back 5 generations and I even have Texas Native American lineage on my Mothers side.

    Hell a few days out in the sun and I'm blacker than BO.

    So if I HAD to chose I would chose Texas.
    Funny. Millions of us said the same thing from 2001 until 2009, when the former Texas Governor fumbled his way though two terms. Our turn now.

    America. I love this country.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'M not saying that. I'm saying that was the perspective of the time.

    Sorry but you are saying precisely that in attempting to justify the actions of those who seceded from the Union. It was what they said at the time and it is rather obviously what you have said here in your posts about an "over-reaching federal government". Slavery was the single cause of the Civil War and all other attempts at justification are ex post facto
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Sorry but you are saying precisely that in attempting to justify the actions of those who seceded from the Union. It was what they said at the time and it is rather obviously what you have said here in your posts about an "over-reaching federal government". Slavery was the single cause of the Civil War and all other attempts at justification are ex post facto
    Slavery wasnt the single cause of the Civil War.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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