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    The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union since Lincoln believed that States couldn't succed. One of the outcomes of.the war was freeing the slaves just remeber that Lincoln wouldn't have freed the slaves if meant preserving the union.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Now, you're saying something totally different. "why the Civil War was fought", and, "the Civil War had nothing to do with ending slavery", are two totally different statements.
    Either way, I never said anything about the Civil War in any of my comments until you brought it up. I said slavery ended in 1864, the 13th Amendment which was ratified in 1865.

    As far as I'm concerned, the Civil war was fought to end the Confederate secession. And, the Confederates seceded because Lincoln was elected. Their fear was that Lincoln would stop the expansion of slavery into new states, thus eventually killing the institution, which was their bread and butter.



    So, IOW, they didn't enforce equality? Thanks for admitting that.
    Yes they did. I just didn't extend the term to include the rebels. In fact, the rebels should consider themselves lucky that they were not exterminated. Lynching them from various trees would have been more than appropriate, IMO.
    Here's exactly what the Union Troops did, since you are so confused about the term "equality", for some reason wanting to include the rebelious former slave owners in that context.
    Impeachment of Andrew Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Reconstruction policies of protection for newly freed slaves and punishment for former slave owners and government and military officials.

    Now that we've established that, let me go farther by saying that Jim Crow was a by-product of Reconstruction and not one of southern culture.
    Is that what they teach you there in Texas? Sheesh.



    All Confederates were scum?
    Yep, no different than Nazis or any other enemy of these great United States of America!

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union since Lincoln believed that States couldn't succed. One of the outcomes of.the war was freeing the slaves just remeber that Lincoln wouldn't have freed the slaves if meant preserving the union.
    Why did they secede?

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Either way, I never said anything about the Civil War in any of my comments until you brought it up. I said slavery ended in 1864, the 13th Amendment which was ratified in 1865.
    Which in no way marked the beginning of Jim Crow, as you suggested.

    As far as I'm concerned, the Civil war was fought to end the Confederate secession. And, the Confederates seceded because Lincoln was elected. Their fear was that Lincoln would stop the expansion of slavery into new states, thus eventually killing the institution, which was their bread and butter.
    That's the first accurate statement you've made, so far. Congragulations!




    Yes they did. I just didn't extend the term to include the rebels.
    Which means that there wasn't, "equality". The only thing that happened was to create a new oppressed class of people.

    In fact, the rebels should consider themselves lucky that they were not exterminated. Lynching them from various trees would have been more than appropriate, IMO.
    That would have been a gigantic mistake and Union leaders of the time knew it.

    Here's exactly what the Union Troops did, since you are so confused about the term "equality", for some reason wanting to include the rebelious former slave owners in that context.
    Impeachment of Andrew Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Reconstruction policies of protection for newly freed slaves and punishment for former slave owners and government and military officials.
    What about the former Confederates that weren't slave owners?

    Is that what they teach you there in Texas? Sheesh.
    My knowledge of the Civil War--and history as a whole--wasn't attained in the classroom of a public school. You can bet on that...LOL!!




    Yep, no different than Nazis or any other enemy of these great United States of America!
    Well, there's a huge difference.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Why did they secede?
    Because they felt that their rights were being threatened and that if one right could be stripped away, all their rights could be stripped away.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because they felt that their rights were being threatened and that if one right could be stripped away, all their rights could be stripped away.


    Why don't you mention that the "rights" being threatened were those which allowed some folks to own other human beings and to treat them as domestic animals.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why don't you mention that the "rights" being threatened were those which allowed some folks to own other human beings and to treat them as domestic animals.
    Actually, it was more about states rights and property rights. It wasn't just about, "[owning] other human beings".

    Only 1% of Confederate soldiers even owned slaves, so it's a helluva stretch to claim that they were all fighting to preserve slavery.

    Was the Rev-War just about taxation without representation? No, it wasn't. A with the Civil War, it was a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights. Disagree with that all you want, but that was the perspective of the southerners who supported seccession.

    Even Frederich Douglass new that the war wasn't being fought over slavery:

    "To fight against slaveholders, without fighting against slavery, is but a half-hearted business, and paralyzes the hands engaged in it."
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, it was more about states rights and property rights. It wasn't just about, "[owning] other human beings".

    Only 1% of Confederate soldiers even owned slaves, so it's a helluva stretch to claim that they were all fighting to preserve slavery.

    Was the Rev-War just about taxation without representation? No, it wasn't. A with the Civil War, it was a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights. Disagree with that all you want, but that was the perspective of the southerners who supported seccession.

    Even Frederich Douglass new that the war wasn't being fought over slavery:

    "To fight against slaveholders, without fighting against slavery, is but a half-hearted business, and paralyzes the hands engaged in it."

    Gee, I wonder why every statement of cause for secession mentioned slavery before any other reasons.

    This sounds so American, "a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights" The federal government supported by the majority of Americans had made no move to emancipate slaves before the start of the war, they had said that there would be no slavery in new states and some states, not the federal government had refused to send escaped slaves back to their owners.

    This attempted conflation of present views on the over-reaching federal government and the situation in the America of 1860 does not bode well for civil peace in this nation. Far too many, a minority but still numerous, see themselves as victims of some frightening spectre led by a man they refuse to acknowledge as their President.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Gee, I wonder why every statement of cause for secession mentioned slavery before any other reasons.

    This sounds so American, "a revolt against an over-reaching government that threatened, or denied the people their rights" The federal government supported by the majority of Americans had made no move to emancipate slaves before the start of the war, they had said that there would be no slavery in new states and some states, not the federal government had refused to send escaped slaves back to their owners.

    This attempted conflation of present views on the over-reaching federal government and the situation in the America of 1860 does not bode well for civil peace in this nation. Far too many, a minority but still numerous, see themselves as victims of some frightening spectre led by a man they refuse to acknowledge as their President.
    For the same reason the Colonials only ever mentioned taxation without representation as the reason for revolting against England.

    Choose to view things from the wrong historical perspective and you will continue to be wrong; just no way around it.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Being proud of ignorance seems to be a common trait over there on the Far
    Right.
    I'll pick "ignorance" over your racism every day.

    Its people like you who fight to keep the distinctions of man relevent because it plays to your agenda.

    I have Union ancestry and confederate ancestry and I'm proud of both.

    With all of your accusations you still can't deny the origins of the Democrat party were overt racist and the racism in the current democrat party is hidden behind the pretense of dependence.

    You wan't to call a Texan "Confederate Scum", you need to come here and say it someone's face.

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