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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Being stuck in the paradigm where those saying something you disagree with politically are "Liberals" is sort of immature. If I wanted an opinion on the level of a high school kid, I'd ask one.
    I'll be looking forward to the debate just as soon as you graduate.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Blue states tend to believe that Blacks are inferior, which is why they support more welfare, and programs like affirmative action. Republicans tend to believe that Black people are equal in intellect and ability and can do without such racist programs.
    Well welfare is based on income not race.

    Affirmative action is based on race but most institutions (colleges) also give points for individuals from different backgrounds as well. For the most part most businesses and universities agree with the idea of affirmative action and creating diversity in the workplace.

    Everything is about demographics, with one generation setting the scene for the next, hoping to create a better world for their children.

    Now we have created these social programs but who will pay for the aging boomers when 55 million Americans lives have been destroyed since R vs W? These were all potential taxpayers. Do you think the surviving children who inherit all this debt will look at this present generation with any gratitude? Whatever for? We can certainly thank past generations for their work but there is little about this one that future generations can be grateful for.
    Kind of off topic. I'm curious though...when was the last generation that didn't pass a deficit on to the future generation?
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Let's forget about the maps.

    Yes, of course the Democrats of 1860 were racist and it is my contention that they are racist now, albeit with more subtlety.
    And that the population of racists from the South all moved North where they continued to vote for racists. We've seen that much of a population shift over the last even 50 years that all the racists that voted Democrat moved North. Even look at 1964:



    The deep south, Mississippi, Alabama - red then, red now. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but Mississippi and Alabama were not the most racially progressive states of the time. Why didn't any of the racist Democrats vote there?


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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'll be looking forward to the debate just as soon as you graduate.
    Let's try this again. Are you arguing that Strom Thurmond left the Democrats because they were racist and joined the Republicans because they were not?

    Surely not.
    Thurmond was increasingly at odds with the national Democratic Party, a majority of whose leaders were supporting the civil rights movement led by African Americans in the South seeking enforcement of their right as citizens to vote and an end to racial segregation. He opposed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964, which was passed. On September 16, 1964, he switched his party affiliation to the Republican Party. He said, the Democratic Party has:
    "forsaken the people to become the party of minority groups, power-hungry union leaders, political bosses, and businessmen looking for government contracts and favors.... invaded the private lives of people by using the powers of government for coercion and intimidation of individuals.... encouraged lawlessness, civil unrest and mob actions.... [and] nominated for vice president a key leader of the Americans for Democratic Action, the most influential Socialist group in our Nation." He was one of the first prominent Democrats to switch parties.

    He played an important role in South Carolina's support among white voters for the Republican presidential candidates Barry Goldwater in 1964 and Richard Nixon in 1968. South Carolina and other states of the Deep South had supported the Democrats in every national election from the end of Reconstruction, when white Democrats re-established political control in the South, to 1960. However, discontent with the Democrats' increasing support for civil rights resulted in John F. Kennedy's barely winning the state in 1960.

    After Kennedy's assassination in 1963, President Lyndon Johnson's strong support for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 angered white segregationists even more. These laws ended segregation and committed the federal government to enforce voting rights of citizens by the supervision of elections in states in which the pattern of voting showed that blacks had been disfranchised. Goldwater won South Carolina by a large margin in 1964.
    Strom Thurmond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Does Wiki have a liberal bias?

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well welfare is based on income not race.
    Do you feel that these welfare programs have effected every group in the United States equally?

    The Moynihan Report was prescient, but is still being ignored.The Negro Family: The Case For National Action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Summer 2005

    Affirmative action is based on race but most institutions (colleges) also give points for individuals from different backgrounds as well. For the most part most businesses and universities agree with the idea of affirmative action and creating diversity in the workplace.
    It perpetuates the myth that Black people are inferior. It is evil, it is paternalistic, and I'm not even certain that it is well intentioned. Would you want your race to be treated that way, as though you were still a backward child?

    Kind of off topic. I'm curious though...when was the last generation that didn't pass a deficit on to the future generation?
    You can look it up, but what's killing the goose is the debt and the social programs that the next generation will inherit. Too many have become dependent on government, without reason, and that has never happened before. Nor has this huge debt ever happened before. Nor have there ever been as many abortions as before. While you might think abortions are off topic, they really are not. Instead of having children Americans are importing other people in the hope that they will pay for the boomers pensions and health care.. All of this is very unrealistic and is all tied together. Demographics never lie.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Let's try this again. Are you arguing that Strom Thurmond left the Democrats because they were racist and joined the Republicans because they were not?

    Surely not.

    Does Wiki have a liberal bias?
    It doesn't mention race in your excerpt.

    He said, the Democratic Party has:"forsaken the people to become the party of minority groups, power-hungry union leaders, political bosses, and businessmen looking for government contracts and favors.... invaded the private lives of people by using the powers of government for coercion and intimidation of individuals.... encouraged lawlessness, civil unrest and mob actions.... [and] nominated for vice president a key leader of the Americans for Democratic Action, the most influential Socialist group in our Nation." He was one of the first prominent Democrats to switch parties.
    Makes sense to me.

    Did you know that a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    1. It doesn't mention race in your excerpt.



    2. Makes sense to me.

    3. Did you know that a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
    1. Really?
    Thurmond was increasingly at odds with the national Democratic Party, a majority of whose leaders were supporting the civil rights movement led by African Americans in the South seeking enforcement of their right as citizens to vote and an end to racial segregation. He opposed the Civil Rights Bill of 1964, which was passed. On September 16, 1964, he switched his party affiliation to the Republican Party. He said, the Democratic Party has:
    2. Why am I not surprised?
    He said, the Democratic Party has:"forsaken the people to become the party of minority groups..."
    3. Total facepalm

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    1. Really?


    2. Why am I not surprised?


    3. Total facepalm
    Here's the deal. this is not all about Strom Thurmond any more than it is about Robert Byrd, George Wallace or Bull Conner. If we are going to single out individuals from each party as being representative of that party then the debate will just evolve into nothingness.

    What can be debated however is the general philosophy of each party over the generations. In that sense I feel the Republicans come out far ahead.

    A similar story is told in the Senate. On the critical vote to end the filibuster by Southern Democrats, 71 senators voted to invoke cloture. With 67 votes needed, 44 Democrats and 27 Republicans joined together to bring the bill to a final vote. Of those voting “nay,” 80 percent were Democrats, including Robert C. Byrd and former Vice President Al Gore’s father, who was then a senator from Tennessee. Again, it is clear that the civil rights bill would have failed without Republican votes. Close observers of the Senate deliberations recognized that the Republican leader, Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen of Illinois, had done yeoman work in responding to the objections of individual Republicans and holding almost all of them together in support of the bill. “More than any other single individual,” the New York Times acknowledged, “he was responsible for getting the civil rights bill through the Senate.”

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's the deal. this is not all about Strom Thurmond any more than it is about Robert Byrd, George Wallace or Bull Conner. If we are going to single out individuals from each party as being representative of that party then the debate will just evolve into nothingness.

    What can be debated however is the general philosophy of each party over the generations. In that sense I feel the Republicans come out far ahead.
    I should have included the link to include a broader overview.Who Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Being stuck in the paradigm where those saying something you disagree with politically are "Liberals" is sort of immature. If I wanted an opinion on the level of a high school kid, I'd ask one.
    A Liberal said in post #2, on this thread, that Louisiana changed a constitutional ban on interracial marriage just a few years ago. That's erroneous. No one seemed at all bothered by it. Did it bother you that an outrageously erroneous statement such as that was posted?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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