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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

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    Republican Party Platforms, Then and Now - Graphic - NYTimes.com
    Platform 1980 vs 2012

    Some things are the same some are a completely opposite.
    It seems that those red states are also where they were in 1860 in that they support the idea that all men are due equal rights before the law. The blue states still tend to believe otherwise.


    You were correct until the last sentence. No you're just being silly
    Well perhaps in the next few decades people will be judging us now on this aspect of human rights, just as we're judging those who supported slavery and Jim Crowe laws not all that long ago.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

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    It seems that those red states are also where they were in 1860 in that they support the idea that all men are due equal rights before the law. The blue states still tend to believe otherwise.
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    Yeah that makes absolutely no sense. When faced with actual facts come up with hogwash to explain it away.

    Well perhaps in the next few decades people will be judging us now on this aspect of human rights, just as we're judging those who supported slavery and Jim Crowe laws not all that long ago.
    Maybe...they also might judge the fact that we allow any child to live and grow up in poverty as well. We can only hope that the future is able to prevent unwanted pregnancies from even occuring and that economic situation is never a reason not to want a child.
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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    It seems that those red states are also where they were in 1860 in that they support the idea that all men are due equal rights before the law. The blue states still tend to believe otherwise.
    Reading the map key wrong again, aren't you? The green states on the 1860 map went to Lincoln, the Republican candidate. Now compare that to 1860 and with the exception of Indiana, most of them were blue in 2012.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yeah that makes absolutely no sense. When faced with actual facts come up with hogwash to explain it away.
    Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Blue states tend to believe that Blacks are inferior, which is why they support more welfare, and programs like affirmative action. Republicans tend to believe that Black people are equal in intellect and ability and can do without such racist programs.
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    Maybe...they also might judge the fact that we allow any child to live and grow up in poverty as well. We can only hope that the future is able to prevent unwanted pregnancies from even occuring and that economic situation is never a reason not to want a child.
    Everything is about demographics, with one generation setting the scene for the next, hoping to create a better world for their children.

    Now we have created these social programs but who will pay for the aging boomers when 55 million Americans lives have been destroyed since R vs W? These were all potential taxpayers. Do you think the surviving children who inherit all this debt will look at this present generation with any gratitude? Whatever for? We can certainly thank past generations for their work but there is little about this one that future generations can be grateful for.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Reading the map key wrong again, aren't you? The green states on the 1860 map went to Lincoln, the Republican candidate. Now compare that to 1860 and with the exception of Indiana, most of them were blue in 2012.
    I believe I read it right but could be wrong. What is the greater point you are making?

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Blue states tend to believe that Blacks are inferior, which is why they support more welfare, and programs like affirmative action. Republicans tend to believe that Black people are equal in intellect and ability and can do without such racist programs.
    Which is why those states that voted for Democrats until the 60s are now red states? Check your list of states that had Jim Crow laws versus those that did not.


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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which is why those states that voted for Democrats until the 60s are now red states? Check your list of states that had Jim Crow laws versus those that did not.
    Better yet, why not make your point and be done with it.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I believe I read it right but could be wrong. What is the greater point you are making?
    In 1860, the "red" states on today's map did not vote for the Republican candidate. The states that did vote for Lincoln in 1860 largely went to Obama.

    So what you're trying to tell us is that those who voted for the anti-slavery candidate in 1860 are now staunchly racist, and the states that voted for pro-slavery candidates in 1860 are not.


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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not really.

    Liberals have little grasp of history and the facts. Indeed, that's why they are Liberals.
    Being stuck in the paradigm where those saying something you disagree with politically are "Liberals" is sort of immature. If I wanted an opinion on the level of a high school kid, I'd ask one.

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    Re: After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slaver

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In 1860, the "red" states on today's map did not vote for the Republican candidate. The states that did vote for Lincoln in 1860 largely went to Obama.

    So what you're trying to tell us is that those who voted for the anti-slavery candidate in 1860 are now staunchly racist, and the states that voted for pro-slavery candidates in 1860 are not.
    Let's forget about the maps.

    Yes, of course the Democrats of 1860 were racist and it is my contention that they are racist now, albeit with more subtlety.

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