Popular D.C. Burger Joint Forced to Shut Down

Oceandan said:

Only a liberal would claim repeal of Glass Steagall caused the housing bubble to burst. That's comical. Yep left to their own banks those banks just overloaded with toxic mortgage paper. We need MORE regulation!

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That is exactly what happened. There was easy money to be made and they couldn't help themselves. You think they regret it?

clownboy said:

That's easy, classifying CO2 as a pollutant and setting the EPA freee to fark things up.

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I see you still can't show how any business was shut down by any regulation.

danarhea said:

Um, how do you know that his business consists of stuffing envelopes at home? You don't even know him. Instead of personally attacking him, you might attempt to debate him.

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Get a grip, it wasn't a personal attack. He lied about creating and running a bunch of business - that much is obvious. Then he says, well maybe I don't have employees - that's where the envelope stuffing "business" comes in. Follow along the discussion and you'll see that the lie kept morphing as more of the weaknesses of his assertions were revealed.

Deuce said:

Obama literally has a magic wand he uses to destroy small businesses.

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Dont give him ideas. Next thing you know he is gonna issue an executive order that somone give him a magic wand. And a glass of i hate America juice.

sangha said:

I see you still can't show how any business was shut down by any regulation.

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So, that new coal plant that won't be built now because of these regulations, that's not a business in your book? Of course it's not, you seem to have a special definition as to what a business is, depending on what you're arguing that day. :mrgreen:

clownboy said:

So, that new coal plant that won't be built now because of these regulations, that's not a business in your book? Of course it's not, you seem to have a special definition as to what a business is, depending on what you're arguing that day. :mrgreen:

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Well, for one thing, it's certainly not a small business. For another, it's not being shut down.

As far as not being built, that is a good thing. Some other energy producer, one that actually knows how to make money while following the law, will produce the energy that its customers will use.

So the situation is unchanged - you still haven't been able to identify one business that's been shut down by regulations.

sangha said:

Well, for one thing, it's certainly not a small business. For another, it's not being shut down.

As far as not being built, that is a good thing. Some other energy producer, one that actually knows how to make money while following the law, will produce the energy that its customers will use.

So the situation is unchanged - you still haven't been able to identify one business that's been shut down by regulations.

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Why should I at this point? You have an excuse for every instance. What busts your uninformed assertions about small business, and business in general, is that your buddy Obama says there's a problem with burdensome government regulation as well. Go here and click on "Reducing regulations that hurt small businesses". Somehow the POTUS believes there is government regulation that overburdens small business, but you argue, not so much.

clownboy said:

Why should I at this point? You have an excuse for every instance. What busts your uninformed assertions about small business, and business in general, is that your buddy Obama says there's a problem with burdensome government regulation as well. Go here and click on "Reducing regulations that hurt small businesses". Somehow the POTUS believes there is government regulation that overburdens small business, but you argue, not so much.

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Why should you back your claims up with some factual evidence?

Well, given the inanity of your argument, you probably shouldn't. In fact, given the absurdity of your claim, not trying to back it up with facts was probably the wisest thing you've done in this thread

And do you really think I'm swayed because of something Obama says? Unlike some posters, I know better than swallow anything a politician says "hook, line, and sinker"

clownboy said:

So, that new coal plant that won't be built now because of these regulations, that's not a business in your book? Of course it's not, you seem to have a special definition as to what a business is, depending on what you're arguing that day. :mrgreen:

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How is it other coal plants are able to comply with the law and make a profit? Are you against clean air?

Texmex said:

Most businesses that have 50 employees or more offer insurance, and those that
don't should do so or shut down.

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By Govt decree, so let it be written, so let it be done.

Honestly your'e failing to grasp the big picture here when Govts mandate private Bussinesses expenses.

But to point you in the right direction, less work hours, lower pay and highed operating cost being passed on to the consumers.

Its a win, win , win for really short sighted individuals who've traded their reasoning capabillities for a partisan agenda.

In a shrinking economy with a growing debt, yes lets make it harder foe people to start up new bussinesses...

Its worked wonders for California.

clownboy said:

Get a grip, it wasn't a personal attack. He lied about creating and running a bunch of business - that much is obvious. Then he says, well maybe I don't have employees - that's where the envelope stuffing "business" comes in. Follow along the discussion and you'll see that the lie kept morphing as more of the weaknesses of his assertions were revealed.

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1) "Get a grip, it wasn't a personal attack"

2) "He lied about creating and running a bunch of business - that much is obvious."

Those 2 statements are mutually exclusive.

clownboy said:

Get a grip, it wasn't a personal attack. He lied about creating and running a bunch of business - that much is obvious. Then he says, well maybe I don't have employees - that's where the envelope stuffing "business" comes in. Follow along the discussion and you'll see that the lie kept morphing as more of the weaknesses of his assertions were revealed.

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Not just a bunch of businesses... "dozens"... which was followed by more inanities claiming government regulation helped his business... ROTFLOL...

sangha said:

I have run dozens of businesses,...

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Hey... he's your typical government loving leftist... and as we know... Leftists are liars.

There is only one who I respect, and that's Denis Kucinich... because he is the very rare Socialist who tells you what he and his party want to accomplish. He reveals the nutso ideology of the left... and FOXNEWS was smart to hire him. Of course... the leftists will lament they picked a loon to represent the left... but the left is loaded with loons... it's just that this one isn't a pathological liar.

And for those who say regulations don't harm business... Just Say No. Half a brain is a still a bad thing to waste.

BTW sangha... fitting avatar.

zimmer said:

Not just a bunch of businesses... "dozens"... which was followed by more inanities claiming government regulation helped his business... ROTFLOL...


Hey... he's your typical government loving leftist... and as we know... Leftists are liars.

There is only one who I respect, and that's Denis Kucinich... because he is the very rare Socialist who tells you what he and his party want to accomplish. He reveals the nutso ideology of the left... and FOXNEWS was smart to hire him. Of course... the leftists will lament they picked a loon to represent the left... but the left is loaded with loons... it's just that this one isn't a pathological liar.

And for those who say regulations don't harm business... Just Say No. Half a brain is a still a bad thing to waste.

BTW sangha... fitting avatar.

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Since the rightwingers think it's impossible for govt regs to actually help a business, here's an example

One of my businesses involves importing a food product, pumping it out of the barrels it comes in into my own, smaller containers, and then selling them. Several years ago I was informed that I would have to comply witih HAACP regulations. HAACP is a law passed after 9/11 meant to insure the safety of our food supply. In order to comply with those regulations, my partners and I had to purchase more than $70K worth of equipment (not just pocket change) that sterilized itself and insured that the product would not be exposed to any contaminants.

This was an extraordinary expense, and it did not add to the profitability of my pre-existing sales. However, by complying with HAACP, my company is now able to sell our products to a large # of companies overseas without having to go through harrowing licensing procedures. Instead of having to go through the bureaucratic hurdles that umpteen nations place on imports, now all I have to do is show that I am HAACP-compliant. Before HAACP, we wouldn't even *try* to sell overseas. We didn't even think about it. Now, it's nearly as easy as selling domestically. As a result, we have expanded our sales.

Another example: I used to be in the ice cream business. Dairy products are highly regulated. Spilled milk isn't just something to cry over; It's considered a hazardous material. While getting the business up and running we were subjected to numerous inspections and we were instructed to change all sorts of things (ie equipment, processes, etc) While all of these things cost money and time, in the end, they protected the product from getting contaminated, which protects the consumer from being sickened, and protected my company from liability.

Another example: I run a web-based business that supplies financial info to the financial services industry. I download a data file from a govt agency, perform some calculations on the data, and then post the info on a website where my customers can query it, or download the entire file. This business would not exist if it weren't for the regs which require the govt to collect the info, and supply it to the public (for a nominal fee).

LowDown said:

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It's hard to keep a small business going in Obama's America.

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In situations like these I don't see why the landlord and tenant cant work something out. Then again it's happening everywhere. Hell, I had to drive two towns over to get fried chicken for my nieces birthday party..... I live in an alleged urban area (Chicagoland area)... Businesses are (or have been for quite some time) shutting their doors while the Obama-loving community claims the economy is getting better???? really??? then tell me why 2/3rds of the local strip-mall is empty??? tell me why my family store is closed???

I'm tired of people refusing to accept reality......

LowDown said:

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It's hard to keep a small business going in Obama's America.

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That has nothing to do with anything - Business-rent and other costs are just high in DC . . . relying on travel to bring in most of hte dough in the area it's not a surprised that was slowly nipped into.

But that just goes with business - business is hard to pull off and it often comes to an end at some point. Nothing lasts forever and a lot of owners/managers realized they've ****ed up when it's pretty much too late to change anything.

You need to be ahead of the game and proactive - relying on fame to keep going isn't going to guarantee much.

Fisher said:

Blame all those liberal vegans who came to town with Obama to replace those God-fearing steak eaters that are the hallmark of a Republican administration.

And Helix, the Obama administration's EPA will want to regulate your water main break as toxic waste.

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I blame the fact few can afford a good burger these days... What was a regular lunch now is a weekly treat.

Obama wont stop until we all live off hay and eat raman noodles like North Koreans because only then will it be "fair." Of course his idiot wife can eat as much cake as she wants.

But I suppose O'bamo's only mistake is that he is not an "emperor." but he is black and that is all that matters to self-loathing progressives.

Aunt Spiker said:

That has nothing to do with anything - Business-rent and other costs are just high in DC . . . relying on travel to bring in most of hte dough in the area it's not a surprised that was slowly nipped into.

But that just goes with business - business is hard to pull off and it often comes to an end at some point. Nothing lasts forever and a lot of owners/managers realized they've ****ed up when it's pretty much too late to change anything.

You need to be ahead of the game and proactive - relying on fame to keep going isn't going to guarantee much.

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Obamarrhoids all want to blame the victims here. It seems obvious that additional regulatory expenses, taxes, and healthcare costs in the middle of a poor economy don't help small businesses a bit.

LowDown said:

Obamarrhoids all want to blame the victims here. It seems obvious that additional regulatory expenses, taxes, and healthcare costs in the middle of a poor economy don't help small businesses a bit.

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The economy is still rough - it has nothing to do with Obama's new policies. A lot of what's been set in motion was done so LONG before he stepped into office. Nice try to blame it all on him, though. Its just not that simple no matter how much you don't like him (I don't either - but I'm also not stupid)

On top of that - the reason given for this was back-owed rent . . . why are people arguing for the leasee who went back on his contract to a tune of $21,000? Why not feel bad for the guy who's business is to rent out property to other businesses - who - regardless of how well that business is doing - has to cover HIS rent and HIS fees and HIS taxes, etc.

He failed to uphold his end of the contractual agreement . . . the matter was handled in court and the judge added to the amount owed. Now - the leasor has to continue to eat the cost of owning the building until a new business sets up shop if he doesn't alreayd have one on hand.

That's how business works.

LowDown said:

Obamarrhoids all want to blame the victims here. It seems obvious that additional regulatory expenses, taxes, and healthcare costs in the middle of a poor economy don't help small businesses a bit.

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Victims? I don't see any victims here. I see a successful restauranteer, operating at a profit in several locations, and a successful landlord who owns a valuable piece of real estate. Who's the "victim"?

And what new "regulatory expenses" did either of these two business persons encounter that weren't in place before Obama became president? I see no mention of any in the article. And what new taxes? The fact is, tax rates have gone down under Obama. And with health care costs, restaurants employ very few fulltime employees, and rarely provide health insurance, so how does that relate to this restaurant? Again, I see no mention of health care in the article