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Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Yeah, um... good luck with that. :roll:
 
Look Iceland produced Bjork. After that amazing accomplishment I say let em do whatever they want.
 
sangha said:
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I have to admit, I don't know much about the area, but it is possible that they are quite progressive while being less progressive in relation to their neighbors
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Actully petereu is right although its a litter weirder then that here in Iceland (im a icelander and live in Iceland)
Is celand progeerive? Depends, but hardly though, on some issues like the gay issue yes but up until the 80´s anybody who was open homosexual was targeted and there were attempted murders back then.
On divorce Iceland is far more consertive then usa, in Iceland a person whos diveroced is viewed as a freak or misfit and a person who is two times diveroced would keep it a secret like being a pedophile because its so fronwed upon. Nobody would want to assccoite with that person.

This also has to do with xenophobia, Icelanders have an obession about keeping Iceland pure and are scared of "foreign filth" destroing icelandic culture etc.

Ögmundur although in a leftwing party(only econmoaly but socialy consertive) is a noturous xenophobe due to his attidues against gypsies,aslyum seekers and his anti semitic views(ive spoken to him and when i mentoied usa he talked about how jews control usa and own the media there and that america is a jew puppet,he accuess israel of engaing in genocide against palenstine pubilicy many times and many of his party members have even called israel baby killers and engaged in blood libel accustions)
His party is whithout a doubt the biggest supporter of all of war on drugs and harsh punishemnt for people caught with drugs,
They even opposed legalizing color tv´s back in the day,
Beer was banned until 1989 and they oppsed making it legal(on the grounds that it would corrupt the mind of the youths)
Racial attacks including attempted murders of non white immigrants happend on a monthly bases in 2008 without police caring.
Icealnders are extremly nationlistic and want to create a image that Iceland is a shinign beacon in the world and we use often hypoerbolic statements about how great and progersive Iceland is.
 
Good idea. Same with extreme graphic or realistic violence.
 
I don't get it. If this is about children, how hard is it for parents to monitor their children's internet usage by installing software to filter certain kinds of content? Why is the government taking on this duty? Seems like a moral agenda to me, and one that takes away responsibility from the individual.

I understand the sentiment but I can't support internet censorship in any form. Once the mechanism to do it is in place it can be expanded to include other material, as Australia has been doing after it used child porn as the emotional trigger to get the public to agree.

Not that internet censorship even works. I'm sure a lot of Icelanders will switch to using proxy web browsing after this. Point is, the government should not have this power.

The problem is that the idea of internet censorship is spreading because of Iceland's initiative:
UK 'will follow Iceland's lead over ban on internet porn' | Culture | The Observer

People blame China for being fascist but a lot of democracies are following suit with their approach to the internet. They're just introducing it under the guise of other things, so that people will give up the freedom to fight "the bad guys". Typical.
 
Northern Light said:
Once the mechanism to do it is in place it can be expanded to include other material, as Australia has been doing after it used child porn as the emotional trigger to get the public to agree.
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:prof Never happened in Australia. The government gave up after the public backlash.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't get it. If this is about children, how hard is it for parents to monitor their children's internet usage by installing software to filter certain kinds of content? Why is the government taking on this duty? Seems like a moral agenda to me, and one that takes away responsibility from the individual.

I understand the sentiment but I can't support internet censorship in any form. Once the mechanism to do it is in place it can be expanded to include other material, as Australia has been doing after it used child porn as the emotional trigger to get the public to agree.

Not that internet censorship even works. I'm sure a lot of Icelanders will switch to using proxy web browsing after this. Point is, the government should not have this power.

The problem is that the idea of internet censorship is spreading because of Iceland's initiative:
UK 'will follow Iceland's lead over ban on internet porn' | Culture | The Observer

People blame China for being fascist but a lot of democracies are following suit with their approach to the internet. They're just introducing it under the guise of other things, so that people will give up the freedom to fight "the bad guys". Typical.
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I agree that the responsible parties should be the parents. I don't know too many kids that buy their own computers, Internet providers, etc. Surely they have commercial filters similar to what we have.
 
Shocking to me that this would be happening in Iceland, of all places. But but surprising. I have friends there, and they were predicting even greater unpleasantness, for quite some time. Strip clubs had been outlawed already. The Socialist Democratic Alliance of Ms. Sigurðardóttir is a left-authoritarian group that wasted no opporutinities in capitalizating on the liberal (in the normal sense) Progressives mishandling the banking crisis badly.

Of course, it's never just "social issues". In the Heritage's ranking of economic freedom, it is # 27 in 2012. Back in 2005, it was #10.
 
Dragonfly said:
Iceland wants to ban Internet porn - CNN.com



Wow.... censorship...for the children.

I wonder where they stand on violence? Movies, video games, tv shows...????
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Iceland is a village of some 300,000 people... (with some of the hottest women in the world).

Would be an interesting experiment.

Iceland had a ban on beer until not too many years ago. A buddy of mine from Reykjavik told me some 25-years ago that "they weren't civilized enough to drink beer." They legalized low alcohol beer for a while back then, but the population spiked it with vodka... then it was banned again. The fisherman made great cash smuggling beer. I don't think they'll be able to make any coin on the porn end... but you never know with those crafty fishermen :)
 
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specklebang said:
You know that porn used to be illegal in America and abortion was a crime. Now we have both.

This book gives an interestrting look into the era of porn legalization. I read it long ago and was impressed. Thy Neighbor's Wife: Gay Talese: 9780061665431: Amazon.com: Books
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People still get thrown in prison periodically for selling porn in the USA, although not so much with Democrat presidents. Max Hardcore (Paul Little) is probably still in prison, they almost got John Buttman Stagliano, but the charges eventually got dropped.
 
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joko104 said:
Good idea. Same with extreme graphic or realistic violence.
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Who do you trust to decide what you can watch? What about news and exposes of war crimes and other types of violence , would you ban those?
 
Iceland can do what they want. I have no objections to them banning porn.
 
I was one of the plaintiffs in the SCOTUS ruling on the Helms Amendment. The results was a mixed message. Indecency is covered by the first amendment. Obscenity is not. What is obscentity? We don't know but we'll know it when we see it...good grief©

So, in the porn industry, there are fine lines. S&M is dangerous, scatology is dangerous, bestiality is dangerous. So, porn producers must walk a fine line. Of course, there are those brave enough to produce "obscene" porn sold under the counter. A risky business. I'm told that porn outsells Hollywood by 5 to 1 (anecdotal).

Hard Truth said:
People still get thrown in prison periodically for selling porn in the USA, although not so much with Democrat presidents. Max Hardcore (Paul Little) is probably still in prison, they almost got John Buttman Stagliano, but the charges eventually got dropped.
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digsbe said:
Iceland can do what they want. I have no objections to them banning porn.
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Me neither.

Some of the people here want to take a swift look at their ethics. It's not just about you and it's not just about censoring children's use of internet, as opposed to censoring your misuse of it.

The vast majority of women working in the sex industry are coerced (c 74%). Consider what kind of person you are, next time you disregard the rights of those women in order to get your sick jollies. Maybe you could stop providing a market.

Then consider what kind of society has porn-addicted weirdoes walk amongst it and how many children can feel safe in that environment.

The whole thing worries me. It's an aspect of men which can't be examined too closely...not nice.
 
Viv said:
Then consider what kind of society has porn-addicted weirdoes walk amongst it and how many children can feel safe in that environment.
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Viv said:
The vast majority of women working in the sex industry are coerced (c 74%). Consider what kind of person you are, next time you disregard the rights of those women in order to get your sick jollies.
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That claim may be true if you include all of the prostitution in places where extreme poverty forces women into prostitution due to a lack of other opportunities. I would never argue that it is moral to have sex with a young Thai girl for example.

However, that is not true for the USA and Western Europe where greater access to working opportunities means fewer women are forced into sex work. Those that are forced into sex work due to economics are in the lower end of street prostitution, not porn. It is simply untrue to claim that a significant number of women working as strippers or porn in the USA and Western Europe did not make a free choice. They do that work because the money is good and they don't find the work excessively undesirable. (Virtually) No one is harmed in the making of mainstream porn.

Virtually all men have consumed porn, very few are rapists or child molesters.
 
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That claim may be true if you include all of the prostitution in places where extreme poverty forces women into prostitution due to a lack of other opportunities. I would never argue that it is moral to have sex with a young Thai girl for example.

However, that is not true for the USA and Western Europe where greater access to working opportunities means fewer women are forced into sex work. Those that are forced into sex work due to economics are in the lower end of street prostitution, not porn. It is simply untrue to claim that a significant number of women working as strippers or porn in the USA and Western Europe did not make a free choice. They do that work because the money is good and they don't find the work excessively undesirable. (Virtually) No one is harmed in the making of mainstream porn.
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That is absolute cobblers and would not excuse in any way what some of the people here do in their online time. I have produced evidence of this many times and no doubt will have to do so again here. The US has a vast and hugely profitable porn industry and therefore power and ability to influence reporting, so I don't expect you to be aware of the reality of it.

Alongside that, men just do not wish to consider how women are affected by the market they provide. It's not harming anyone, it's not your responsibility. You like your seedy porn and don't see why you can't have it.:roll:

As for the poster who claims lack of porn will cause rape, why don't you insist all women wear burkhas and be done with it?
 
Viv said:
The US has a vast and hugely profitable porn industry and therefore power and ability to influence reporting, so I don't expect you to be aware of the reality of it.
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I have a lot of first-hand and second-hand experience with the industry. If you actually met and talked with a wide cross section of the participants and visited clubs and movie sets you would know that the reality is what I described.
 
Hard Truth said:
I have a lot of first-hand and second-hand experience with the industry. If you actually met and talked with a wide cross section of the participants and visited clubs and movie sets you would know that the reality is what I described.
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No evidence then. Just anecdotal.
Sex trafficking alone generates approx $US7 billion
per year in profits although Interpol has given a
higher estimate of $US19 billion annually (U.S. State
Department, 2008)
• Profits from sex trafficking are approximately $US217.8
billion a year or $23,000 per victim (ILO, 2005 as cited
in U.S. State Department, 2008).
http://www.worldvision.com.au/Libraries/DTL_fact_sheets/Factsheet_Sexual_exploitation.pdf
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To the extent that there is sex trafficking in the USA (most claims are wildly exagerated) it occurs with underground brothels and massage parlors and other fronts for prostitution. It is the illegal status of prostitution and immigration laws that allows trafficking to exist. Legal porn and strip clubs do not need unwilling participants because there is no shortage of willing participants and the owners do not want trouble, especially since they already are faced with various forms of scrutiny and harassment.

There is a lot of misinformation put out there about sex workers from religious groups and extreme feminists with an anti-sex agenda. Most trafficking is for farm workers and domestic servants. Some elements in law enforcement buy into it also because of the funding that is offered for anti-traficking efforts. The mainstream media loves to promote sensationalism about sex because it sells (i.e daytime talk shows, Law and Order SVU, prime-time expose shows) and it doesn't cost them any advertising dollars.

If you don't believe me, go to your local strip club and ask the workers whether they want to be "rescued." You can also go to the Adult Video and Gentlemen's Club conventions in Vegas and meet many of the particpants in sex work.
 
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The same people that are upset about the banning of porn in Iceland, won't concern themselves with global warming in China.
 
American said:
The same people that are upset about the banning of porn in Iceland, won't concern themselves with global warming in China.
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...why would those two issues be expected to have a correlation? :confused:
 
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