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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    My main concern is the operators of these drones. Anyone flying a drone at an altitude that could endanger people in manned aircraft needs to meet strict training requirements. The drones should be required to have anticollision lights to ensure manned aircraft can see them and transponders so the FAA ATCs can track them. Other than that, I don't have a problem with drones in US airspace.

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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I saw only one reference to the intended LE use, to supplement SWAT teams, which seems doubtful, at best. The real need, IMHO, is for LE provided credible witnesses to combat the "code of the hood" against "snitching". Fixed cameras in "the hood" would be quickly disabled yet these roving drone patrols could cover the gang turf and add that all important witness to these high crime (no witness) zones. While I see potential for abuse, I also see these tools as being effective for many crime fighting things that are now impossible without them.

    As a law abiding citizen, I see little down side (beyond cost), for allowing the LE community to use this technology. As long as they remain unarmed, I see no reason to fear their use.
    Heya T, One of my concerns would be for those Gang organizations to get a hole of the Technology. Not so much just the bangers. Also although being private, we know about how Corporate Espionage works. So this would open up more into that aspect of their game. (Game for whatever they are into)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya T, One of my concerns would be for those Gang organizations to get a hole of the Technology. Not so much just the bangers. Also although being private, we know about how Corporate Espionage works. So this would open up more into that aspect of their game. (Game for whatever they are into)
    Yep. Gangs/cartels often "employ" LEOs to keep their business ventures "safe" and to protect their established territories. Why buy and man that which you can rent (contract?) for a resonable rate?
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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Gangs/cartels often "employ" LEOs to keep their business ventures "safe" and to protect their established territories. Why buy and man that which you can rent (contract?) for a resonable rate?
    Yeah, I see ya saw where I was going with this. Like Guzmans Cartel who provides drugs for Chicago and other cities. Which using the Like of the Latin Kings. I wouldn't expect that it would be long where they would be offered tech to counter L.E.

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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, I see ya saw where I was going with this. Like Guzmans Cartel who provides drugs for Chicago and other cities. Which using the Like of the Latin Kings. I wouldn't expect that it would be long where they would be offered tech to counter L.E.
    Not only the tech but personnel to man it. Money makes the world go around. I would bet that 10% to 25% of police get some "not so legal" perks for "on the job favors".
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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I'm sorry to be blunt but that's just irrational. All tools used by the military or police have the potential for misuse, some of them much more easily and significantly than drones and some, as you've just agreed, exactly the same potential. Do you think they should be banned from using guns, cars, the power of arrest or, of course, piloted aircraft. Obviously there needs to be proper laws and regulations, monitoring and control but that's no different to the use of any of these other things.

    This all boils down to the baggage attached to the word drone because of their (not unreasonably) controversial use in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. There is an entirely emotive response that links the big scary drone plane with guns and bombs that kills people with the small, remote-controlled helicopter with a camera that stops people getting killed.

    Of course, the general aggressive anti-police trend that seem to running through US society at the moment probably doesn't held. The could have a magic wand the ends all crime and someone would have something nasty to say about it.
    Maybe the "general aggressive anti-police trend that seem to running through US society at the moment" is not without some justification. Too much trust in government, as in man himself, is not a good thing.
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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Wouldn't all of your objections to drones apply equally to manned aircraft? The military, police and private citizens can already fly planes and helicopters over private land and I don't believe there are any regulations around small remote-control vehicles flying at heights below regulated airspace. Why are drone aircraft automatically of any greater concern?
    Yeah, the fact that they do suspect things already doesn't really excuse exacerbating the problem.
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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not only the tech but personnel to man it. Money makes the world go around. I would bet that 10% to 25% of police get some "not so legal" perks for "on the job favors".
    Well when it is Chicago.....U know that saying about when in Rome! Moreover we know one of the cartels had hackers and they took on Anonymous and killed like 3 of their people.

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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe the "general aggressive anti-police trend that seem to running through US society at the moment" is not without some justification. Too much trust in government, as in man himself, is not a good thing.
    The failures and corruption of some police isn't justification to be anti all police. That's like treating all Americans as ignorant red-necks.

    If you consider the police in general so fundamentally corrupt that it's impossible to even consider permitting them to use any kind of drone vehicle what-so-ever though, why wouldn't you call them to be prevented from using much more dangerous tools or resources, such as guns, cars and the power to arrest and hold people? The objections inferred in this thread (because they've not been explained) really don't sound like a serious consideration of the matter in question with public safety and effective policing in mind. They sound like a knee-jerk reaction.

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    Re: FAA Moves Toward Creating 6 Drone Test Sites in US......

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    The failures and corruption of some police isn't justification to be anti all police. That's like treating all Americans as ignorant red-necks.
    That was not my claim. The thing is that every government organization has to be held responsible and in check.

    We can't just 'trust' the police, or politicians, they have to continue to earn our trust all year long. Do you have an alternative?
    If you consider the police in general so fundamentally corrupt that it's impossible to even consider permitting them to use any kind of drone vehicle what-so-ever though, why wouldn't you call them to be prevented from using much more dangerous tools or resources, such as guns, cars and the power to arrest and hold people?
    I never said that the police are fundamentally corrupt. You are either ignoring the post or willfully changing it to suit whatever agenda you may have.

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