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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    She thinks that their performance should be "rewarded". I can see the staff members should be paid for the hard work they do, but the actual representatives be they repubs or dems??? Rewarded? Seriously?
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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    All I said was that I didn't believe she was talking about Congressmen.
    I doubt she even knew exactly what she was talking about. She asserts that we do not spend enough at the federal level, so any calls for more federal spending, by her, are expected no matter what the actual subject may be.
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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Maybe congress should be payed the average wage in America. A fundamental change in philosophy has occurred over time. Congress was created and exists to serve the people and represent their constituents, not for the people to serve them. It should be a humble position, not a dignified one.
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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

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    Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job[W: 104, 181]Let's keep the thread on topic please. Things that bare not on topic include what another users lean is, or which user is smarter than another, or basically anything that is not in reference to Pelosi's comments.
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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    To be fair it's the people in their district and state who keep sending them back.

    All the more reason for a decentralization of powers.

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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I thought insider trading, backroom deals, and legislating for personal gain was reward in itself...

    Her and the rest of them are a disgrace. You wonder why America is sinking, look to its "best and brightest"....
    Says the guy from Chicago.......
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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post

    Says the guy from Chicago.......

    Heh, we in Chicago expect our politicians to be crooks. However we also expect a level of competence as well. What these buffoons are doing....well, it isnt competence.

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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Heh, we in Chicago expect our politicians to be crooks. However we also expect a level of competence as well. What these buffoons are doing....well, it isnt competence.
    So you expect them to competently be crooks? lol
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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So you expect them to competently be crooks? lol
    There's something to be said about a man who can have his name in the same headline as corruption and scandal for 24 years and still walk the earth a free man, right?

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    Re: Pelosi: Congressional pay cut undermines dignity of the job

    Quote Originally Posted by Danbury View Post
    Okay Ocean, let's try it this way:

    Why don't you provide the EVIDENCE you have that Factcheck is not credible. And yes, feel free to start by showing the evidence you have that Annenberg is not credible. Name association is NOT evidence, btw. that is EMOTIVE, but it's not evidence. I'm recovering from an injury and can't do much, so I've got all day to hear your evidence, or wait for it, which I suspect is going to happen. Sigh.
    Political Fact-Checking Under Fire : NPR
    HEMINGWAY: Well, there's a number of reasons why I arrived at that conclusion. One of the facts I pointed out in the piece was that the University of Minnesota School of Public Affairs had actually done a survey of PolitiFact, and they evaluated all 500 statements that PolitiFact had rated from January of 2010 to January of 2011.

    And they found that of the 98 statements that PolitiFact had rated false, 74 of them were by Republicans. Now, I can think of a number of reasons why you might cite one party over the other more, in terms of, you know, who was telling the truth and who wasn't. But doing that at a rate of three to one strikes me as awfully suspicious, particularly when, if you delve into the specifics of the statements that they cited, there's all kinds of problematic things contained there, whereas they are, you know, like you're mentioned, they're often fact-checking opinions and providing counter-arguments to, you know, stated opinions.
    PolitiFact bias: Does the GOP tell nine times more lies than left? Really? - Conservative News
    If a Republican schools commissioner says an annual standardized test takes “less than 1 percent of the instructional time,” and the actual figure is between 0.26 percent and 0.90 percent of annual class time, a serious fact-checker wouldn’t make a different claim and check that instead. But that’s precisely how PolitiFact found the Republican commissioner’s statement False.

    If a conservative advocacy group runs an ad saying Obamacare could cost “up to $2 trillion,” an honest fact-checker would look up the government’s own estimate and see that, indeed, the Congressional Budget Office puts the cost at $1.76 trillion for just the first few years.

    PolitiFact is not that honest fact-checker. And these aren’t isolated cases. Once widely regarded as a unique, rigorous and reasonably independent investigator of political claims, PolitiFact now declares conservatives wrong three times more often than liberals. More pointedly, the journalism organization concludes that conservatives have flat out lied nine times more often than liberals.
    The Ten Worst Fact-Checks of the 2012 Election - Forbes
    The fact-checking Lie of the Year

    Let me point to the lowlight of the bunch, what we might call the “fact-checking” community’s Lie of the Year: when PolitiFact described a blatantly deceptive Obama campaign ad on Mitt Romney’s Medicare reform as “Mostly True.” The ad claimed that the Romney-Ryan plan “could raise future retirees’ costs more than $6,000,” when in fact the Romney-Ryan plan would increase future retiree’s costs by exactly zero, and in fact give them the opportunity to lower their out-of-pocket costs.

    These aren’t opinions of mine—they are facts, based on the actual design of the Romney plan. The Romney plan, which was rolled out exactly one year ago today, guaranteed that all future retirees would continue to receive today’s Medicare benefits at no extra cost to them. The plan would open up the delivery of those benefits to a broad range of insurers, who would compete to offer those benefits at the most cost-efficient price. This competitive bidding process would drive Medicare costs down without compromising the care that retirees actually receive.

    Six weeks after Romney rolled out his plan, Paul Ryan and Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) rolled out a nearly identical plan, with the same competitive bidding feature. (It was a previous proposal by Paul Ryan, one that Romney explicitly did not endorse, that the Congressional Budget Office feared would expose seniors to higher costs.)

    PolitiFact acknowledged this discrepancy in its report, but then went on to call the Obama ad “mostly true.” Why? After interviewing one person—a senior fellow at a left-wing think tank, the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities—PolitiFact decided that “we simply don’t have enough details to know how much extra money seniors might have to pay under the current Ryan plan.” Furthermore, the Obama campaign “gave itself some wiggle room by stating that the plan ‘could’ raise out-of-pocket costs by more than $6,000. On balance, we rate the statement Mostly True.” Wiggle room?
    Only Fact Check, Never Explain | The Weekly Standard
    And yet, Adair just refused to answer the question of why his organization overwhelmingly finds Republican statements false. It's not just the George Mason study, either. Again, the University of Minnesota analyzed "more than 500 PolitiFact stories from January 2010 through January 2011 finds that current and former Republican officeholders have been assigned substantially harsher grades by the news organization than their Democratic counterparts. In total, 74 of the 98 statements by political figures judged 'false' or 'pants on fire' over the last 13 months were given to Republicans, or 76 percent, compared to just 22 statements for Democrats (22 percent)."
    What the Fact-Checkers Get Wrong : Columbia Journalism Review

    But if the fact-checkers won’t listen to their critics, here’s hoping they’ll listen to one of their declared friends, the press critic Jay Rosen, who offered one of the most acute critiques of Politifact’s choice. The Republican proposal would have phased out an open-ended, single-payer, fee-for-service health care program for senior citizens in favor of a very different program that would, in effect, give future seniors vouchers that could be used to purchase insurance on the private market. If you know what the plan would do, whether or not it amounts to “ending Medicare” is an endlessly debatable point. The potential objection to the Democrats’ language is that voters who didn’t know what the GOP plan entailed could be misled—which might make that language problematic, but doesn’t make it a lie, as Rosen noted in a Dec. 22 post. “I don’t think Politifact chose a lie of the year in 2011,” he wrote. “Their sights were set on something different, and they erred by calling it what they called it.”
    TLDR version: just because a fact checker says its true or false, doesnt mean it is.

    Multiple sources and use your own brain to decide. Dont rely on some "expert" with his own axe to grind.

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