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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nuclear but the obvious choice has been ignored to the point that solar ans windmills are the new "tech".

    Solars a joke and wind energy is a cartoon characterization of "how to" in new renewable energy.

    Also thanks to fracking the whole run out of hydrocarbon fuels debate has been pushed back.
    Nuclear, in my humble opinion is only a long term viable solution if we can master fusion. Nuclear fission creates too much waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well it's a good thing nobody is suggesting we suddenly cut off all fossil fuels.
    A "Carbon tax" would have pretty much the same effect on the poorest people in the poorest nations.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    Nuclear, in my humble opinion is only a long term viable solution if we can master fusion. Nuclear fission creates too much waste.
    Yep. In fact, the biggest cause of contamination at Fukushima are the spent rods that they were "storing" in pools of water inside one of the shut down reactors.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Thanks to fracking, U.S. carbon emissions are at the lowest levels in 20 years. - Slate Magazine

    We have over 200 years supply of hydrocarbon fuel supplies in this nation that are recoverable with today's technology.

    Do we really want to end all industrial activity due to the nonsense of anthropogenic climate change? Especially when you consider the same proponents who claim it's "scientific" use terms like "consensus".

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    Nuclear, in my humble opinion is only a
    long term viable solution if we can master fusion. Nuclear fission creates too much waste.
    Well we have with the fusion of dueterium and tridium but thermal weapons aren't viable forms of usable energy and the best we can do now at normal temperatures is a net zero production of energy from a fusion process.

    My point is its going to take a while before we get to that level of technology and allowing our selves to be isolated down into punitive actions and highly ineffecient green energy contraptions like solar and wind is not the answer either.

    Once the left politicized green energy they ruined green energy. They took a fascinating science and forced it out into the market way before it was ready and made us pay for it.

    On top of that they attached or tried to attach taxes and sur charges to it.

    I've been into different areas of tech for 30 years. Their forced injection of demagogy and fear tactics and politics into science and engineering caused major damage to the legitimate search for alternate fuels

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    Agreed Fenton. Comical aspect as per solar/wind, the battery production required for on demand usage of solar or wind is a larger carbon footprint than coal.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Yep. In fact, the biggest cause of
    contamination at Fukushima are the
    spent rods that they were "storing" in pools of water inside one of the shut down reactors.
    Nope, the massive tsunami that killed the generators that circulate water that cools the core was the biggest cause of contamination.

    The fuel over heated, created hydrogen gas under massive domes and BOOM.

    DONT build your power plant on a Tsunami magnet.

    Chernobyl was a safety test gone wrong. They were trying to use the kinetic energy of the spooling down of the main turbines to power the pumps until the 90 or so seconds passed that was needed for their primary emergency generators to get up to synchronous rpm and build the voltage needed to continuously operate the main pumps.

    They lowered the reactor output to start the test, that poisoned the reactor with naturally occuring xenon 135 that caused it to lose even more power, they manually pulled the rods to increase power because a reactor forced down to a fraction of its power too fast is a apocolyptic scenario.

    This created steam voids in the core which caused the power out put to spike, they tried to initiate a SCRAM but it was too late. BOOM.

    The last reading on the Power Output dial was 33 gigawatts. 10 times the reactors normal power output.

    So human error on both reactors caused the issue. Nuclear is a safe alternative to bankrupting every western nation with green energy scams and carbon taxes.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    Agreed Fenton. Comical aspect as per solar/wind, the battery production
    required for on demand usage of solar or wind is a larger carbon footprint than coal.
    Germany built a 2.2 gigawatt solar plant. Its 5% of their total capacity.

    They're real proud of it.

    The German people pay an extra 10% on their utillity bills to pay for and maintain that plant.

    I got into debate about solar with a guy on the west coast. He had a whole home solar set up. Used to brag about his awesome green energy accomplishment.

    That he sold power back to the grid. ok.

    I know how a home solar sytem works. From the photovoltaic to the massive inverters and batteries needed to turn that DC comming from the photovoltaic panels to useful polyphase AC.

    He finally admitted that the ROI was 19 years and that did not include repair, or replacement fod batteries and components.

    No they dont last 19 years. Its ridiculous. It was pushed on a lie by a political ideology that couldn't care less about the harm done to the average working class Americans that have to struggle with higher energy cost.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Germany built a 2.2 gigawatt solar plant. Its 5% of their total capacity.

    They're real proud of it.

    The German people pay an extra 10% on their utillity bills to pay for and maintain that plant.

    I got into debate about solar with a guy on the west coast. He had a whole home solar set up. Used to brag about his awesome green energy accomplishment.

    That he sold power back to the grid. ok.

    I know how a home solar sytem works. From the photovoltaic to the massive inverters and batteries needed to turn that DC comming from the photovoltaic panels to useful polyphase AC.

    He finally admitted that the ROI was 19 years and that did not include repair, or replacement fod batteries and components.

    No they dont last 19 years. Its ridiculous. It was pushed on a lie by a political ideology that couldn't care less about the harm done to the average working class Americans that have to struggle with higher energy cost.
    Time for the other side of the coin. Friend of mine is an elctrical engineer out in Cali, he set up a home solar setup. He did all the work, set up all the components and its a small set up meant to ease his bills, not totally eliminate them. His ROI is 9 years at current rates. BUT because of all the tax breaks involved in solar he got a gigantic tax deduction for it. New father too, so for the first time in a long time, he may have actually broke even on his taxes. Hes been a net payer for 15 plus years.

    His new project is a tankless water heater kit hes assembling himself. Hes not going to get off the grid but as an engineer he sees a lot ways to make investments that lower his month to month costs and is taking the deductions before they disappear.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Germany built a 2.2 gigawatt solar plant. Its 5% of their total capacity.

    They're real proud of it.

    The German people pay an extra 10% on their utillity bills to pay for and maintain that plant.

    I got into debate about solar with a guy on the west coast. He had a whole home solar set up. Used to brag about his awesome green energy accomplishment.

    That he sold power back to the grid. ok.

    I know how a home solar sytem works. From the photovoltaic to the massive inverters and batteries needed to turn that DC comming from the photovoltaic panels to useful polyphase AC.

    He finally admitted that the ROI was 19 years and that did not include repair, or replacement fod batteries and components.

    No they dont last 19 years. Its ridiculous. It was pushed on a lie by a political ideology that couldn't care less about the harm done to the average working class Americans that have to struggle with higher energy cost.
    Unless I'm sadly mistaken the best available batteries need to be replaced every 5-7 years.

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