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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    At the current time, if we stop using hydrocarbon fuel, the number of people will drop by about 80 %.
    Starvation by any other name is still ugly!
    That about sums it up. Either people die from the effects of climate change or they die due to a suddenly cutting off energy. My guess is more people die if we cut the power or jack up the price of it through taxation to the point where the poorest people can't afford to eat.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No one is denying climate change, what's being denied is that the United States is the sole cause of it. Or that Man is the sole cause of it. .....
    Except you damn well know nobody is arguing those things. So if you can't even be honest about that, why should anyone bother with your supposed opinion?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    That about sums it up. Either people die from the effects of climate change or they die due to a suddenly cutting off energy. My guess is more people die if we cut the power or jack up the price of it through taxation to the point where the poorest people can't afford to eat.
    Well it's a good thing nobody is suggesting we suddenly cut off all fossil fuels.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They are both political agendas, which is why I support both existing, without paranoid rhetoric.
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    There is a large difference between promoting policies and working to muddy the waters when it comes to actual science.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    ok who was the genius who said NASA wasn't in it for the politics ?

    This is the same NASA whos administrator claimed his primary goal was to be a muslim outreach center.

    Nice.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | guardian.co.uk



    Cat's out of the bag. The funding demonstrates that the conservative agenda is not about actual science, but preserving their business model.

    And although these think tanks have influence over government, the people donating to them can remain anonymous. Clandestined financial cabals such as these are the reason why democracy is threatened in most of the western world. They can use their massive fortunes to sway government without the public ever knowing who they are.

    As a democratic people, we must stand up and insist our government create legal reforms that prevent lobbying on this massive scale.
    Cats been out of the bag for years concerning "global warming".

    Wait, you guys changed it when it was revealed the earth has been cooling.

    That the Govt funded corrrupt think tanks had been juicing their data all along to support a massive money grab from "carbon taxes" .

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    NASA is not in it for the politics. Here is how the situation pans out in the case global warming isn't happening:

    1. Global warming is not happening: We just end up taking measures which not only clear the air of pollution but also provide cleaner working environments for human beings, healthier ecosystems, etc.

    2. Global warming isn't happening: We just keep dumping toxic waste into waterways, polluting the air, filling the earth up with garbage, destroying ecosystems.

    If it's not happening and we take the wrong option, we still lose.
    Over dramatize much?lol

    In the case of "climate change" we are talking about, specifically, CO2. The USA has the toughest anti-pollution regulations in the industrialized world. There are agencies at every level of government(local, state, federal) who's sole purpose is enforcement. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING could be more disingenuous than the text in bold. You just heaped a big whopping LIE on top of an issue that centers around carbon dioxide gas. A gas which could hardly be classified as a "pollutant" in the first place.

    You guys want to whine and cry about the manner in which your opponents get their funding but at the same time you think it's perfectly fine to present garbage like this. Absolutely shameless...
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    That about sums it up. Either people die from the effects of climate change or they die due to a suddenly cutting off energy. My guess is more people die if we cut the power or jack up the price of it through taxation to the point where the poorest people can't afford to eat.
    The difference is the probability of people dying from a reduction in hydrocarbon fuel use is so close to 100%
    as to not matter. The probability of people dying from the effects of climate change is not measurable yet.
    The short term solution (<100 years), will be to find some equally dense fuel supply that can be manufactured,
    before the organic hydrocarbon runs out.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, you don't know the difference between a meteorologist and a weatherman. You made that painfully obvious from the get-go. Meteorologists don't predict the weather. That's what weathermen do.
    And what specific discipline do "weathermen" study to become "weathermen"? The answer would be "meteorology" Find me a "weatherman" who doesn't have a degree in meteorology.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The difference is the probability of people dying from a reduction in
    hydrocarbon fuel use is so close to 100%
    as to not matter. The probability of people dying from the effects of climate change is not measurable yet.
    The short term solution (<100 years), will be to find some equally dense fuel supply that can be manufactured,
    before the organic hydrocarbon runs out.
    Nuclear but the obvious choice has been ignored to the point that solar ans windmills are the new "tech".

    Solars a joke and wind energy is a cartoon characterization of "how to" in new renewable energy.

    Also thanks to fracking the whole run out of hydrocarbon fuels debate has been pushed back.

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