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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Oh no, im boring you? Watch out everybody, Hatuey is getting bored!!!!! I never said man doesn’t have an effect on the ecosystem, but your comparing a ruined waterway, to global warming. You build a city, you remove the ecosystem that existed in its place, you cant always have both unless your advocating we live in trees. I know what "climate studies" attribute to rising sea levels, but they also attribute the same thing to the dwindling polar bear numbers, which as it turns out, aren’t dwindling at all. Its not realistic to think we can exist in our environment without causing a change in it. Our very existence dictates that! That doesn’t mean that every change our environment experiences is our fault, or that it wouldn’t happen with or without us.
    Nobody is just assuming that every change is our doing. That's what all the research is for.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | guardian.co.uk



    Cat's out of the bag. The funding demonstrates that the conservative agenda is not about actual science, but preserving their business model.

    And although these think tanks have influence over government, the people donating to them can remain anonymous. Clandestined financial cabals such as these are the reason why democracy is threatened in most of the western world. They can use their massive fortunes to sway government without the public ever knowing who they are.

    As a democratic people, we must stand up and insist our government create legal reforms that prevent lobbying on this massive scale.
    Does that mean you want to abolish the environmetal lobby, too?
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Danbury View Post
    What is your source that shows that LIBERALS don't answer questions and that it's BECAUSE they're liberal that they do, and, by default, that conservatives ALWAYS answer questions.

    And, if liberals are illogical, how it is that saying only liberals are illogical is logical.

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    This is a joke right? You need a source? Open your eyes. Ask Debbie Wasserman if the sun will rise in the east. Her response, "Republicans want to waterboard seniors so they can give tax breaks to the rich".

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    This is a joke right? You need a source? .
    Yes. Please provide it. It's quite a statement, UNLESS You believe that Debbie Wassserman-Schultz is the only liberal in the world. But even then, I'm pretty sure I can probably get videotape of her answering questions.

    But what is your source that has you concluding that "liberals never answer questions"? I mean, you had to have gotten that from somewhere, considering that there are millions of liberals in the world, let alone in the US.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    No source needed. Simple observation.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    The simple part is hands down, but the observation part still needs a lot of work.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | guardian.co.uk



    Cat's out of the bag. The funding demonstrates that the conservative agenda is not about actual science, but preserving their business model.

    And although these think tanks have influence over government, the people donating to them can remain anonymous. Clandestined financial cabals such as these are the reason why democracy is threatened in most of the western world. They can use their massive fortunes to sway government without the public ever knowing who they are.

    As a democratic people, we must stand up and insist our government create legal reforms that prevent lobbying on this massive scale.
    This is has been going on for some time.

    A lot of the old cigarette company shills came to work for big coal back in the 90s.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Real scientists have mountains of data pointing to climate change as fact. Skeptics have a lot of hot air. Most people see through the smoke and mirrors; it really isn't that hard to notice climate change.

    The only thing open for debate is if anything can be done about it. I tend to think no.
    No one is denying climate change, what's being denied is that the United States is the sole cause of it. Or that Man is the sole cause of it. Here is where you see the most complaining, and the UN policies are primarily pointed at the US. When I see our leftwingers going to China and protesting in Tiananmen Square, I'll think about taking them seriously. And then there's Al Gore stuffing his pockets full of money trading carbon credits.....
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No one is denying climate change, what's being denied is that the United States is the sole cause of it. Or that Man is the sole cause of it. Here is where you see the most complaining, and the UN policies are primarily pointed at the US. When I see our leftwingers going to China and protesting in Tiananmen Square, I'll think about taking them seriously. And then there's Al Gore stuffing his pockets full of money trading carbon credits.....
    IMO, the problem of global warming will accelerate when China and India get up online. There is no stopping it. Once their billions get on the highway it'll be we either run out of oil or choke on all their exhaust. I doubt that any "alternative" will help either because just manufacturing 2.5 billion cars, whether they are electric, natural gas, or even if they are driven by something not even yet available, will destroy what's left of the environment.

    So, we might as well sit back and enjoy the view as the planet rapidly goes to crap. There are simply too many people on it.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    IMO, the problem of global warming will accelerate when China and India get up online. There is no stopping it. Once their billions get on the highway it'll be we either run out of oil or choke on all their exhaust. I doubt that any "alternative" will help either because just manufacturing 2.5 billion cars, whether they are electric, natural gas, or even if they are driven by something not even yet available, will destroy what's left of the environment.

    So, we might as well sit back and enjoy the view as the planet rapidly goes to crap. There are simply too many people on it.
    At the current time, if we stop using hydrocarbon fuel, the number of people will drop by about 80 %.
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