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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, like I said it has been discussed so many times that I am not going through it again...But suffice to say that the moment GW went from science, to global political wealth redistribution, it ceased to be science anymore.
    You brought up East Angalia, not me. Now you run away from discussing it.

    The science goes on. Pretend all you like, though.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The partisan hack is the one presenting the article as though its only anti-man made global warming fairy tale studies that are funded by those who do not believe in the man made global warming fairy tale. Man made global warming fairy tale studies are funded by people who believe in man made global warming fairy tale religion, but yet we are led to believe that these people are somehow unbiased.
    Einstein got paid by people who believe in physics.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You brought up East Angalia, not me. Now you run away from discussing it.

    The science goes on. Pretend all you like, though.
    Well, if AGW is so set in concrete, and so widely accepted, then I am sure the most basic tenant of scientific theory is easily obtained for us to see in peer reviewed documentation, and that is reproduction of the theory in a practical laboratory controlled setting. Show me the study that proves that man made Co2 is effecting the internal temp of the planet.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if AGW is so set in concrete, and so widely accepted, then I am sure the most basic tenant of scientific theory is easily obtained for us to see in peer reviewed documentation, and that is reproduction of the theory in a practical laboratory controlled setting. Show me the study that proves that man made Co2 is effecting the internal temp of the planet.
    Science isn't done with single laboratory experiments. I'll have to show you dozens, if not hundreds of papers. Because thats how science works.

    I can easily demonstrate:
    1) Greenhouse gases absorb a certain area of the EM spectrum. Trivial physics, long since proven.
    2) This is the same radiation the earth emits. Also trivial.
    3) When the absorption of this radiation increases, surface temperature increases. (Hell, you can try that at home with two sealed boxes and a co2 canister)
    4) This effect is observed in the real world. Outgoing radiation at this wavelength is decreasing, while downward radiation increases, indicating it is reflecting back down as expected.
    5) The amount of said radiation reflecting downwards is changing in proportion to the increase in greenhouse gases.
    6) The increase in co2 is a result of burning fossil fuels, as opposed to respiration or volcanic activity and whatnot. This is demonstrable due to the isotope ratios being different from burnt fossil fuel carbon.

    So all this tells you there definitely is a non-zero impact on global temperatures. I'm sure that's no surprise. The far trickier question is how much temperature change, and what impacts there might be from that change. It's a complicated question, so the answer will be complicated and there will always be a range of uncertainty. I could post a hundred papers, can I expect you'll read them?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Science isn't done with single laboratory experiments. I'll have to show you dozens, if not hundreds of papers. Because thats how science works.

    I can easily demonstrate:
    1) Greenhouse gases absorb a certain area of the EM spectrum. Trivial physics, long since proven.
    2) This is the same radiation the earth emits. Also trivial.
    3) When the absorption of this radiation increases, surface temperature increases. (Hell, you can try that at home with two sealed boxes and a co2 canister)
    4) This effect is observed in the real world. Outgoing radiation at this wavelength is decreasing, while downward radiation increases, indicating it is reflecting back down as expected.
    5) The amount of said radiation reflecting downwards is changing in proportion to the increase in greenhouse gases.
    6) The increase in co2 is a result of burning fossil fuels, as opposed to respiration or volcanic activity and whatnot. This is demonstrable due to the isotope ratios being different from burnt fossil fuel carbon.

    So all this tells you there definitely is a non-zero impact on global temperatures. I'm sure that's no surprise. The far trickier question is how much temperature change, and what impacts there might be from that change. It's a complicated question, so the answer will be complicated and there will always be a range of uncertainty. I could post a hundred papers, can I expect you'll read them?

    Are there other contributors that are more detrimental to global temp, say water vapor?

    What is the impact of volcano's on GW, in relation to man's contribution if any?
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are there other contributors that are more detrimental to global temp, say water vapor?

    What is the impact of volcano's on GW, in relation to man's contribution if any?
    According to the USGS, quite small. Human CO2 emissions are much higher. In fact, major eruptions have a temporary cooling effect due to the increased reflection of high altitude ash.

    Water vapor is the biggest contributor to the total greenhouse effect. However, the CHANGE in the greenhouse effect is being driven by co2. (And to a smaller extent, methane and some others)

    To head off the objection, nobody is saying "greenhouse effect is bad." Without it, we'd be a ball of ice. It's the change in the greenhouse effect causing a change in temperature that is concerning. If the ocean were to spontaneously spit out its dissolved co2, that would also be troublesome. (and probably a lot harder to deal with... Put a big tarp over the whole thing??)
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    According to the USGS, quite small. Human CO2 emissions are much higher. In fact, major eruptions have a temporary cooling effect due to the increased reflection of high altitude ash.

    Water vapor is the biggest contributor to the total greenhouse effect. However, the CHANGE in the greenhouse effect is being driven by co2. (And to a smaller extent, methane and some others)

    To head off the objection, nobody is saying "greenhouse effect is bad." Without it, we'd be a ball of ice. It's the change in the greenhouse effect causing a change in temperature that is concerning. If the ocean were to spontaneously spit out its dissolved co2, that would also be troublesome. (and probably a lot harder to deal with... Put a big tarp over the whole thing??)
    Ok, and if these hypothisis' are true, what effect will taxing my use of electricity, or gas to high heaven, while still allowing me to use it have on this? Nothing. But a picking of my pocket.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The partisan hack is the one presenting the article as though its only anti-man made global warming fairy tale studies that are funded by those who do not believe in the man made global warming fairy tale. Man made global warming fairy tale studies are funded by people who believe in man made global warming fairy tale religion, but yet we are led to believe that these people are somehow unbiased.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Einstein got paid by people who believe in physics.
    True. But no one ever went you can't trust Einstein, his studies are funded by such and such company that allegedly cares about physics(the way many made global warming fairy tale believes act as though big oil give a rats ass about global warming and climate change in general,as though billions of people are just going to stop using oil if global warming is caused by people instead of nature) or his studies are funded by people who believe the same **** he does as though that is somehow a disqualifier. But studies that contradict the man made global warming fairy tale religion are dismissed as biased, even though all pro man made global warming fairy tale studies are funded by people who believe in the man made global warming fairy tale religion.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

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    Don't blame others for your behavior. Take responsibility.
    What the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China? My behavior doesn't have anything to do with this thread.
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