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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They weren't very hard.
    Yet you haven't answered ****....But continue to believe that propaganda fed you by like minded articles, and talking points from Al Gore will save you.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | guardian.co.uk



    Cat's out of the bag. The funding demonstrates that the conservative agenda is not about actual science, but preserving their business model.

    And although these think tanks have influence over government, the people donating to them can remain anonymous. Clandestined financial cabals such as these are the reason why democracy is threatened in most of the western world. They can use their massive fortunes to sway government without the public ever knowing who they are.

    As a democratic people, we must stand up and insist our government create legal reforms that prevent lobbying on this massive scale.
    I am sure man made global warming fairy tale believers do the same thing. This is why I find it amusing when these man made global warming fairy tale religious zealots whine and cry how big oil is funding some anti-man made global warming fairy tale study.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The Daily Mail is the only source that still had an open link. That same story is in the NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, etc...it just isn't available without a subscription.
    They also have a proven history of twisting quotes on this very subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They also have a proven history of twisting quotes on this very subject.

    "twisting quotes".... Translation = Exposing the truth.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "twisting quotes".... Translation = Exposing the truth.
    No. For example, in 2010 they published this article:

    Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995.

    No global warming since 1995? Interesting "admission." Let's see their source, an interview with Phil Jones with the BBC. (an actual news organization)

    BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

    The relevant question:
    B - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
    And the answer:
    Yes,
    Or rather, this must be where the Daily Mail author stopped reading, because the actual answer is:
    Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.
    So, the Daily Mail headline says there's been no warming, yet here is their own source explaining to you exactly how much warming there was in that period. (.12C/decade) And that's not even getting into the whole statistical significance part of the situation, in which 1995-2009 is a pretty blatant cherry-pick. 1994-2009 has statistically significant warming. 1995-2010 also has statistically significant warming, but obviously that data wasn't available in February of 2010.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Sure glad some rich people stood up to the academic, media, govt machine that was ready to regulate us into bankruptcy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks | Environment | guardian.co.uk



    Cat's out of the bag. The funding demonstrates that the conservative agenda is not about actual science, but preserving their business model.

    And although these think tanks have influence over government, the people donating to them can remain anonymous. Clandestined financial cabals such as these are the reason why democracy is threatened in most of the western world. They can use their massive fortunes to sway government without the public ever knowing who they are.

    As a democratic people, we must stand up and insist our government create legal reforms that prevent lobbying on this massive scale.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No. For example, in 2010 they published this article:

    Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995.

    No global warming since 1995? Interesting "admission." Let's see their source, an interview with Phil Jones with the BBC. (an actual news organization)

    BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

    The relevant question:


    And the answer:


    Or rather, this must be where the Daily Mail author stopped reading, because the actual answer is:


    So, the Daily Mail headline says there's been no warming, yet here is their own source explaining to you exactly how much warming there was in that period. (.12C/decade) And that's not even getting into the whole statistical significance part of the situation, in which 1995-2009 is a pretty blatant cherry-pick. 1994-2009 has statistically significant warming. 1995-2010 also has statistically significant warming, but obviously that data wasn't available in February of 2010.

    Hmmm....Because it looks to me like instead of letting the respondent equivocate, and qualify his own exposure for telling the truth, you want 50 shades of grey to cloud the issue....Question asked, question answerd "yes".... end of story.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmm....Because it looks to me like instead of letting the respondent equivocate, and qualify his own exposure for telling the truth, you want 50 shades of grey to cloud the issue....Question asked, question answerd "yes".... end of story.
    Wait, I want you to clarify this for me.

    You're suggesting the headline is accurate? There was no global warming in the period of 1995-2009?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait, I want you to clarify this for me.

    You're suggesting the headline is accurate? There was no global warming in the period of 1995-2009?

    Nothing significant, and certainly nothing that can conclusively be directly tied to human activity....

    I am checking now, and as far as I know Manhattan is still dry....Tell me, how'd that happen with all the ocean's rising crap we heard?
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nothing significant, and certainly nothing that can conclusively be directly tied to human activity....

    I am checking now, and as far as I know Manhattan is still dry....Tell me, how'd that happen with all the ocean's rising crap we heard?
    Now you're moving the goal posts. So you do agree that there was warming. Good. Therefore you also agree the headline was misleading. It wasn't a discussion as to the cause of that trend, or lack of trend.

    Next, statistically significant is a term with specific meaning. It's not a synonym for "important" like how you'd normally use the word "significant." It essentially is a measure of how confident you are that the observed trend is indeed an underlying trend, rather than a result of random noise. Temperature, as I'm sure you know, fluctuates up and down from year to year, and quite a bit. So if you take a tiny data set you can easily be fooled into seeing a trend, or lack thereof, that isn't really there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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