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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If you are trying to imply that man could possibly pump enough CO2 into the atmosphere to create a poisonous condition, let me be the first to tell you that you are absolutely out of your mind. Can't happen, period.

    If that ISN'T what you are trying to imply then your post is in no way relevant to anything I said.

    What you clearly didn't get was the example that proves even good things can be pollutants.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The old switching power supply, still going strong and the cause of lower than normal power factors everywhere.

    I use to hobby build when I was in my teens and early 20s and built a few among other things. Then I had kids....

    They also offer very little in the way of power consumtion. Under perfect operating conditions they practically use no power so it comes down to which supply voltage is more effecient.

    Plus, those inverter ductless systems have a pretty good warranty on them.

    Any monkeying with the PCB and it will void its warranty Im sure.
    I have no doubt, modifying the the electronics would void the warranty, just part of the experiment.
    Keep any scopes and such you might have, When my son was a teen,
    I showed him how to scope out and repair guitar amps.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The dc motor in the hot rod e bike i built
    has a.brushless motor.


    The rare earth magnets eventually lose their "oomph", but no brushes.

    Really ? The only brushless DC motor I am aware of is the ECM motor.

    Electrical commutated motors and again, uses an inverter to send a manufactured sinusoidal waveform to basically do the work of the commutator.

    And to what solar rig are you referring to ? A electronics parts outlet in my city runs a solar rig that incorporates at least 6 batteries ?
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    I always have a critical logic and well common sense challenge with OP's like this. If it's really "secret" and everyone knows about it, they aren't very good at what they do are they?

    A few other, well, elementary school level questions. When we can't predict tomorrow's weather, how, when the earth is billions of years old and we have 150 years of recorded data, are we able to predict future weather? So many people claim global warm.....er.....wait now it's climate chang......er....no now it's anthropogenic global climate change, is "scientific" and if you don't buy the (Uncle Joe's fav word) mularkey they offer you are a "science denier", yet those same people accept "consensus". How is this rationalized?? Please explain to me, using "scientific" principles (btw for the low information voters here, "consensus" is antithetical to "science"), how having the conclusion prior to even forming a hypothesis, let alone using ALL data available and not just seven trees that support your pre drawn conclusion, how you expect to be credible. What caused the end of the last ice age? How much CO2 was emitted during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius?

    <scratching head>

    All of these are excellent questions that will go largely ignored by the true believers of the AGW religion. And the usual retort is to come after your character as some sort of dolt, denier, or worse. So in their world, personal attack is fine when they can't reasonably answer the hard questions.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I have no doubt, modifying the the electronics would void the warranty,

    just part of the experiment.
    Keep any scopes and such you might have, When my son was a teen,
    I showed him how to scope out and repair guitar amps.
    Ive got a old tektronics at home ( 50 mhz ) and a 200 mhz dual channel at work. The one at home is packed away currently.

    Those ductless systems just started to get popular in the US in the last few years.

    At first I had my doubts but they're pretty dependable and highly effecient.

    The small line going from the condenser to the air handler unit is actually the metering device distributor line. ( saturated refrigerant leaving the metering device and entering the evaporater coil )

    In a conventional unit its usually carries medium temp liquid to the TXV metering device and distributor in the indoor unit.

    The TEV ot TXV is in the outdoor unit, not the indoor unit. Both the lines have to be insulated to stop condensation problems.

    You can measure the temp of each line with a K or J type thermocouple and get a "super heat" reading when your unit is cooling.

    You can determine the correct charge under normal load conditions. should be around 12 to 16 degrees.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Ive got a old tektronics at home ( 50 mhz ) and a 200 mhz dual channel at work. The one at home is packed away currently.

    Those ductless systems just started to get popular in the US in the last few years.

    At first I had my doubts but they're pretty dependable and highly effecient.

    The small line going from the condenser to the air handler unit is actually the metering device distributor line. ( saturated refrigerant leaving the metering device and entering the evaporater coil )

    In a conventional unit its usually carries medium temp liquid to the TXV metering device and distributor in the indoor unit.

    The TEV ot TXV is in the outdoor unit, not the indoor unit. Both the lines have to be insulated to stop condensation problems.

    You can measure the temp of each line with a K or J type thermocouple and get a "super heat" reading when your unit is cooling.

    You can determine the correct charge under normal load conditions. should be around 12 to 16 degrees.
    I first ran into the mini split ACs in Europe, Some are heat pumps, and both heat and cool.
    I like the high efficiency the inverter units are hitting.
    If people want to really reduce high energy use in the US, home comfort is the low hanging fruit.
    Better insulation, radiant barrier, windows, all reduce the heat load, the next piece is the
    Heat/humidity removal.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I first ran into the mini split ACs in Europe, Some are heat pumps, and both heat
    and cool.
    I like the high efficiency the inverter units are hitting.
    If people want to really reduce high energy use in the US, home comfort is the low hanging fruit.
    Better insulation, radiant barrier, windows, all reduce the heat load, the next piece is the
    Heat/humidity removal.
    Yep, you know your stuff.

    You first maximize the R value of your envelope then size your capacity accordingly.

    Ive seen people who went to great expense turning their home into a igloo cooler only to run into humidity problems and the dreaded sick home syndrome.

    They increased their r value to the point their AC was now oversized so it would pull down the temperature but not the humidity because it wouldn't run long ennough. Thats a very costly scenario to back out of.

    People dont realize that a AC isn't about lowering temperature but about lowering total enthalpy which includes humidity. Down in Houston much of the capacity is used for humidity removal.

    My sister in law has a beutiful high effeciency home (4k sq ft ) with two stage AC units ( two ) cooling it.

    At 76 degrees its verry comfortable in her home and the two stage unit once temp is satisfied will lower its blower speed and compressor cappacity to lower the humidity.

    New tech is amazing.

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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Really ? The only brushless DC motor I am aware of is the ECM motor.

    Electrical commutated motors and again, uses an inverter to send a manufactured sinusoidal waveform to basically do the work of the commutator.

    And to what solar rig are you referring to ? A electronics parts outlet in my city runs a solar rig that incorporates at least 6 batteries ?
    No solar. High performance electric bicycle.

    Electronics is.not my forte. Taught myself enough to make it.

    The original bike had a 750w brushed motor. The new motor puts out 1600w peak.

    Some electronic circuit makes sense. Acts different in use.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    I always have a critical logic and well common sense challenge with OP's like this. If it's really "secret" and everyone knows about it, they aren't very good at what they do are they?
    Funny, you guys make similar accusations of climate scientists: They supposedly are trying to hide information that they... publish in research journals.
    A few other, well, elementary school level questions. When we can't predict tomorrow's weather, how, when the earth is billions of years old and we have 150 years of recorded data, are we able to predict future weather?
    Nobody is trying to predict future weather. They're trying to predict future climate. They aren't trying to predict individual weather events, but rather a statistical average that can be expected in the future. It's a pretty important difference.
    So many people claim global warm.....er.....wait now it's climate chang......er....no now it's anthropogenic global climate change,
    Wrong. All of those terms have been around for decades, and are often used interchangeably.

    is "scientific" and if you don't buy the (Uncle Joe's fav word) mularkey they offer you are a "science denier", yet those same people accept "consensus". How is this rationalized?? Please explain to me, using "scientific" principles (btw for the low information voters here, "consensus" is antithetical to "science"), how having the conclusion prior to even forming a hypothesis, let alone using ALL data available and not just seven trees that support your pre drawn conclusion, how you expect to be credible.
    Also wrong. There are climate deniers, and there are skeptics. The deniers are the ones who, deliberately or not, present ridiculous arguments, straw men, or outright lies. There are skeptics in the scientific community who do excellent and important work. You should familiarize yourself with those people.

    What caused the end of the last ice age?
    A change in northern hemisphere insolation due to regular, cyclical changes in the earth's axial tilt. This isn't difficult information to come by. If you lack even this basic knowledge of climate history, you should refrain from posing these "questions" with the assumption that nobody can answer them.

    How much CO2 was emitted during the eruption of Mount Vesuvius?
    On average, global volcanic activity generates about 200 million tons of CO2 per year, according to the US Geological Survey.

    <scratching head>[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    All of these are excellent questions that will go largely ignored by the true believers of the AGW religion. And the usual retort is to come after your character as some sort of dolt, denier, or worse. So in their world, personal attack is fine when they can't reasonably answer the hard questions.
    They weren't very hard.
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    Re: Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because the Daily Mail said so? You understand that's a tabloid, right?
    The Daily Mail is the only source that still had an open link. That same story is in the NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, etc...it just isn't available without a subscription.
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