I'm beginning to wonder if you know what the expression the kitchen sink means. They were quotes, data and factual analysis of how the Democrats and Clinton mandated the manufacture of and then the collapse of the sub-prime market. I suspect your'e calling it all "the kitchen sink" because you can't rebut it or it's simply over your head.
You object to Conservative post because they blow your liberal generic drool out of the water. They counter your rambling hypocrisy with truth and and objective evidence. That's why you object to them. You object to them because you have yet to post one paragraph that holds any semblance of objective information or empirical data and when challenged to a point by point rebut you post something like the above. It must be embarrassing. Again, rebut my post on the sub-prime collapse point by point if your'e capable, we're waiting. Oh and with data, not generic barely incoherent rambling.
Well that's easy, not as easy as proving your insistence prattling nonsense wrong, but easy enough. I'm a Conservative because I was raised correctly, I am above average intelligence, I'm not susceptible to empty platitudes and ridiculous political promises, I value my freedom and liberty, I refuse to accept the Liberal concept of community over individualism and I understand that you build stronger societies by empowering the individual.
I believe in private property rights, I don't believe in theft and I am not of such weak character and constitution that I need a Government to watch over me, feed me, clothe me, pay my bills or manage my healthcare.
My concern over the well being of our troops does not disappear when the least educated elect the least qualified to run our Country. I believe people should be held responsible for their choices. I believe in free market principles and realize the liberal concept of fairness is actually just organized theft on a National scale. I'm not prone to irrational envy of those who have more than me, nor do I think that envy gives me the moral authority to confiscate their property.
I am not so dimwitted that I would be in favor of enacting laws, policies or mandates that would counter a man's innate instincts of self interest and self preservation. I'm intelligent enough to realize when a Government gives a man the freedom to explore his limits and meet his highest personal expectations society as a whole will benefit. I understand that our Constitution is not a "living breathing document". If it moved and changed to fit the whims of every political leader IT WOULDN'T BE A CONSTITUTION.
I believe our ability, knowledge, intelligence and character should determine our position, regardless the color of our skin. I think affirmative action policies are the definition of racism. I believe character, honesty and integrity are important characteristics when considering whether a politician is qualified to represent me and my family. More importantly I think character, honesty and integrity are crucial characteristics in a human being.
I believe a strong family unit composed of a Husband and Wife raises a smarter, happier and better adjusted child. I don't believe in the right of a woman to kill her unborn child. It's not solely her body anymore, there are two heartbeats, two humans, two bodies.
And finally I'm Conservative because I use the truth to shape my ideology, not the other way around.
I'm beginning to wonder if you know what the expression the kitchen sink means.
Yeah. I'm well aware of it. I have a decent vocabulary.
They were quotes, data and factual analysis of how the Democrats and Clinton mandated the manufacture of and then the collapse of the sub-prime market. I suspect your'e calling it all "the kitchen sink" because you can't rebut it or it's simply over your head.
Well your suspicions would be wrong. Nobody wants to wade through a pile of crap to deal with you. Thats' WHY it's called the Kitchen Sink. You're tossing way too much garbage in your comment. Nobody is going to take the time to wade through all of it to satisfy your needs to seem relevant. Maybe some will, but they mean nothing to me, and if I did take the time you wouldn't believe it anyway. I told you before, I didn't come here to toss out somebody elses ideas. Obviously you have none of your own or you wouldn't need them. You're clearly over your head on this.
That's why you object to them
I object to them because I think they're stupid. I have no interest in them. And they dont come from you. You need them because you can't make a case on your own. And...above all, I don't play in your ballpark. You play in mine. :lol:
Well that's easy, not as easy as proving your insistence prattling nonsense wrong, but easy enough. I'm a Conservative because I was raised correctly, I am above average intelligence, I'm not susceptible to empty platitudes and ridiculous political promises, I value my freedom and liberty, I refuse to accept the Liberal concept of community over individualism and I understand that you build stronger societies by empowering the individual.
Well...finally. But tell me, why should I believe you? I'm interested in the truth, not a bunch of things that you can't demonstrate, so can you demonstrate for me right now, how everything you just said is true? I mean, how do I know that you were raised correctly? Do you have some empirical data or evidence to show that? You claim to have above average intelligence. I haven't seen any demonstration of that either. You say this: "I'm not susceptible to empty platitudes and ridiculous political promises," how do I know that's true? You probably voted for Bush. That would disprove that claim. Just because you say it is? Why would I believe you if you can't demonstrate it? You say this: "I value my freedom and liberty," ..well that's really special. So do I so that's a wash. Valuing freedom and liberty is not exclusive to conservatism despite what you may have been told from your talking points.
I refuse to accept the Liberal concept of community over individualism and I understand that you build stronger societies by empowering the individual.
That's a logical fallacy that somebody with an above average intelligence should know. You present an either/or situation. Either you accept a concept of community OR you accept individualism, while overlooking that fact that you can have both. It's not an either/or situation. The fact is that you live within a society, unless you decide to live on some island. As such you have responsibilities to that society. That doesn't mean your own idividualism can not be asserted. We all do it every day. So your idea that you can't have the one by accepting the other is false. Pretty easy to understand with an above average intelligence.
My concern over the well being of our troops does not disappear when the least educated elect the least qualified to run our Country
Except when you voted for Bush. Your concern for our troops is very nice. Mine and all my friends were there for them during the Bush years when a totally unqualified man was elected. So you have no monopoly on that.
I am not so dimwitted that I would be in favor of enacting laws, policies or mandates that would counter a man's innate instincts of self interest and self preservation.
So you aren't a Christian then? I thought conservatives embraced Christian teachings. Apparently not.
I understand that our Constitution is not a "living breathing document". If it moved and changed to fit the whims of every political leader IT WOULDN'T BE A CONSTITUTION
Why? What makes that true? Our framers embedded racism into our constitution. You know that right? Are you saying that you embrace that? That this little flaw shouldn't have been corrected? The constitution is a framework. That's why we call these guys the "Framers". They couldnt account for, or think of everything, so they created a great outline for how we would function. But if you think that these forward thinking men didn't grasp that future generations would encounter things that they couldn't imagine, you're naive. If they didn't, they wouldn't be forward thinking would they?
And finally I'm Conservative because I use the truth to shape my ideology, not the other way around.
Can you demonstrate for me that 1) you use the truth, and 2) that your ideology can demonstrate what makes itself true? If you could, I might even join you. The problem you have now is demonstrating that you use truth, and that your ideology demonstrates it? Telling me that doesn't demonstrate it. It's a statement that you can't back up. Your beliefs mean nothing to me. I don't care about them at all. I am interested in the Truth, and you haven't shown me anything here but a series of beliefs, and platitudes. I don't care about your beliefs in private property or the family and what you think about that. Beliefs don't demonstrate truth. What are they based on? You've offered a series of one belief after another, each one based on something without a basis to support it. Again...I don't care about beliefs. I do care about truth. You say that you use truth to shape your ideology. Ok. I get that. But there is a problem with that. You can't possess Truth. You can't hold it. You have no monopoly on it. It's not some object that you can hold in your hand. And another problem is that all ideologies hold their ideas as true again without demonstrating that they are. They are all man made, and man is fallible. Can your ideology be wrong? Is that possible? Or do you expect me to "believe" that it's infallible? Why would I when I know that it's prone to error? You tell me that truth informs your ideology but you can't demonstrate truth for me. So something that you can't demonstrate as true dictates your ideology?:roll: So, you have values that you can't demonstrate as true? That's interesting. Can you demonstrate objective truth for me? I don't think you can do that. I for one don’t think values can be demonstrated as true. Is not that hypocritical? If you accept that humans have values, then it’s their values. They are not dependent on demonstration, otherwise, why would we consider them "our" values? Truth is determined by human judgment or truth is determined unequivocally by demonstration. It can't be both. Which is it? Obviously you cannot demonstrate the truth of your values which make up your ideology, so why would I be interested in them or it? In fact, why would you?
If you claim that your ideology is based on something, then you are admitting that things require a basis. If everything requires a basis, then what is the basis for your basis? It can't be based on itself. No theory or ideology can use itself as it's own justification.
I'd say your conservatism is flawed. Recognizing the flaws is what brings you closer to the truth. If that's really what matters to you.
.When it was more visible it seemed that some talking points were not front and center as they are now. Wonder why? Maybe you can talk someone into resurrecting the battle-grounds-and-disputations Forum.It would be like ole times. 
