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SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

justabubba said:
always thought was catchy
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I have always liked " go pound sand ".

Its catchy.

Instead of leaving I would rather stick around and watch the lefts bankrupt agenda collapse around them while they blame a President that hasn't been in office for over 4 years.

Hell, this is a "recovery" . Gotta stick around for the excuses and desperate mitigation as more and more people realize that their President has condemned them to perpetual misery and mediocrite
 
BigRedChief said:
I'm all for a time limit or amount of money that one person can receive money from the government.
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Didn't we have that until recently, when Obama ordered it effectively lifted through a regulatory body, going around congress......Again?
 
BigRedChief said:
I'm all for a time limit or amount of money that one person can receive money from the government.
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then they will just break up the larger farm into smaller farms, each one entitled to its own "share" of farm subsidies
wait, this is already happening
 
Fenton said:
Subsidizing ? You mean by being consumers ?

Companies and corporations DON'T pay tax's, they simply distribute the tax's from the consumer to the Govt.
Try not to get tied up in the corrupt philosophy from the left that would have you believe that Corporations dont pass on their tax burden to the consumers. They do.

So a tax increase on the Mean Ole' Corporations is actually a tax on the middle class as they raise their prices or lay off workers or all of the above and relocate.
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I know I'm relatively new here but please try to not jump to typecasting conclusions of my views.

Who was talking about taxing the mean ole corporations? I was talking about indirect tax payer money going to the corporations to prop up their legally lowest pay possible to their employees.

My point could be proven easily. If you are working 40 hours a week, you don't get housing, food or medical assistance from the government. How many workers do you think would continue to work for minimum wage?
 
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poweRob said:
I'm excited to see the Repub response and the Tea Party response dole out the crazy in a fight to show their base who hates Obama more.
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I doubt there are many who actually "hate" Obama and certainly not in the sense the Left hated George W. Bush.

It's just that many more are realizing now how incompetent the man is and how he is so dangerously in over his head. That's the main concern.
 
BigRedChief said:
I know I'm relatively new here but please try to not jump to typecasting conclusions of my views.

Who was talking about taxing the mean ole corporations? I was talking about indirect tax payer money going to the corporations to prop up their legally lowest pay possible to their employees.

My point could be proven easily. If you are working 40 hours a week, you don't get housing, food or medical assistance from the government. How many workers do you think would continue to work for minimum wage?
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That's a great point. People should not forget that for every dollar that the minimum wage is increased, resulting in another 28 to 35 cents withholding is collected by the Government. Also, with the push by this administration to increase the rolls of welfare recipients, coupled with the trend of businesses to cut hours from 40 per week, to 29 hours per week in response to the PPACA, and the history of resulting increases in MW directly linked to higher prices for goods on the shelves, this is a bad idea IMHO.
 
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Grant said:
I doubt there are many who actually "hate" Obama and certainly not in the sense the Left hated George W. Bush.

It's just that many more are realizing now how incompetent the man is and how he is so dangerously in over his head. That's the main concern.
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i look forward to your list describing the instances of Obama's incompetence
really
please share your list with us
 
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justabubba said:
i look forward to your list describing the instances of Obama's incompetence
really
please share your list with us
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I don't know if you are joking or serious.

Why not point out an area where he has demonstrated competence? It would take much less time.
 
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Grant said:
I don't know if you are joking or serious.

Why not point out an area where he has demonstrated competence? It would take much less time.
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Obama slept through church for 20 years. That's not easy.
 
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Grant said:
I don't know if you are joking or serious.

Why not point out an area where he has demonstrated competence? It would take much less time.
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i am quite serious
you insist Obama is incompetent as a president
i am asking you to list those things which should show us that alleged incompetence
accept the challenge to defend your position ... or wave the white flag of surrender
 
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justabubba said:
i am quite serious
you insist Obama is incompetent as a president
i am asking you to list those things which should show us that alleged incompetence
accept the challenge to defend your position ... or wave the white flag of surrender
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GDP
U6
Benghazi
Debt
Deficit
 
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j-mac said:
:lamo what a joke.....You ask for a list of incompetency, then play games in addressing it....Typical.
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still waiting for your list

... or have you surrendered your own argument, too
 
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justabubba said:
still waiting for your list

... or have you surrendered your own argument, too
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Why would I provide you anything? Seeing as the last list you got you just ignored, and typed some dumb crap like "surrender accepted" or some other foolishness....Nah, when you want genuine discussion, and not childish games come on back.
 
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justabubba said:
still waiting for your list

... or have you surrendered your own argument, too
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Stick Fast and Furious on there. Gitmo, "civilian trials" and drone assassinations too.
 
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j-mac said:
Why would I provide you anything? Seeing as the last list you got you just ignored, and typed some dumb crap like "surrender accepted" or some other foolishness....Nah, when you want genuine discussion, and not childish games come on back.
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your unconditional surrender is hereby accepted, too, with your acknowledgment that you have nothing to offer to defend your position
 
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justabubba said:
your surrender is accepted
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Your voter for Obama was yoru surrender.. it migfht was well have given you a white flag when you pulled the lever on the left..
 
BigRedChief said:
I know I'm relatively new here but please try to not jump to typecast my
conclusions of my views.

Who was talking about taxing the mean ole corporations? I was talking about indirect tax payer money going to the corporations to prop up their legally lowest pay possible to their employees.

My point could be proven easily. If you are working 40 hours a week, you don't get housing, food or medical assistance from the government. How many workers do you think would continue to work for minimum wage?
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I dont buy into the premise that corporations are responsible for a workers perinial suffering under low wages and a lack of benefits.

Your worth as an employee is dependent on two things, the market value of your experience and knowledge.

Now if your telling me a corporation is specifically holding back people from bettering theirselves then you might have a point.

I guess the difference between our ideologies is I think the individual has sole countrol over their choices and therefore their destiny.

My personal expertise, my proffesion cant be bought for 9 dollars an hour with no benefits and my employers know that.

Multiply that by 5 with full healthcare, 401k and a sizable bonus every Christmas and I'll come work for you and make you lots of money.

Its because I decided to biild my knowledge and skill level over 30 years that I'm entitled to this and no private entity along the way held me back in a job I KNEW I couldn't survive on.

Quite the opposite actually. So spare me the blame game, when ultimately we are all responsible for our destinies with NO ONE to blame but our selfs if we wind up in a 9 dollar an hour job when wer'e in our 30s
 
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j-mac said:
Why would I provide you anything? Seeing as the last list you got you just ignored, and typed some dumb crap like "surrender accepted" or some other foolishness....Nah, when you want genuine discussion, and not childish games come on back.
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well all know the libs cant win a debate... the low information crowd is a hoot..
 
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justabubba said:
i am quite serious
you insist Obama is incompetent as a president
i am asking you to list those things which should show us that alleged incompetence
accept the challenge to defend your position ... or wave the white flag of surrender
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No, I really can't be bothered playing this game with you.

Whatever anyone can point to regarding Obama's incompetence te blame is always placed elsewhere. George Bush is always first but then we have the weather, the Chinese, etc. Here's a ;ist I just discovered but there are more.

That's why i asked where he might be competent because there doesn't seem be any area where this guy seems to know what's he's doing. I'd get the same excuses from you, I know, as we do from BHO.

George W. Bush

Tax breaks

Arab Spring

Japanese earthquake

Globalization

George W. Bush

Automation technologies

Eurozone crisis

Republican House

ATM usage

George W. Bush

The Weather

Bad luck

Super PAC ad spending

Lack of stimulus money

George W. Bush

The Tea Party

Unmanned airport ticket kiosks

Oil speculators

Underestimation of economic crisis

George W. Bush

Businesses not expanding

Americans being soft and lazy

Fox News

Energy companies not getting behind…algae
 
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Travis007 said:
well all know the libs cant win a debate... the low information crowd is a hoot..
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Well we can laugh at them f0r sure, then watch them squirm and disappear, but they are also ruining the country.
 
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