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Conservative said:
Consumer spending drives the economy as apparently you don't know the components of GDP or what those components generate in percentages. Govt. spending is offset by the debt that spending is creating along with a reduction in personal income withholding takes from the paychecks. Consumer spending creates demand and demand leads to job creation

Companies are in business to make a profit, not to provide jobs. Jobs however are provided by a growing economy and that grows govt. revenue. Obama has overseen a stagnant economy and one that has 22 million plus unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers who have dropped out of the labor force.




You must be in a school system that doesn't teach you what funds what services. You easily confuse Federal Responsibility with state responsibility. Let me help you, here is what the Federal Income Taxes fund



It isn't the federal taxpayer's responsibility to fund teachers, cops, firefighters in your community. Why do you think it is? Medicare and SS aren't funded by Federal Income Taxes nor are schools, roads, police, or fire fighters. Please learn what your taxes fund and whose responsibility it is.



You live in a world of books ignoring the world of reality. You have no concept of human behavior, personal responsibility, or consequences of poor choices made. What is your experitise on human behavior, individual living expenses, a liveable wage. Human lives rely on personal responsibility and making choices. Some make terrible choices and according to people like you there are no consequences in those poor choices. That is a liberal dream world where someone else pays for your personal mistakes.



Not only the different in our views but the difference in our experience. You live in a liberal dream world that has never solved a social problem. You live in a world where spending in the name of compassion is more important than solving a problem or getting compassionate spending. You know very little about history, very little about personal responsibilty, very little about economics, very little about business and yet you come into a forum like this making typical liberal claims.

Freedom comes with responsibility, responsibility for choices made and for taking responsibility for ones self. Freedom is indeed valuable as well as profitable. You don't understand either. In your world there are no consequences for failure, in the real world there is. You want the govt. to bail you out of poor choices, I prefer learning from mistakes and moving on never making them again.

You think a massive central govt. that liberals propose promotes freedom? This Administration is doing more to destroy freedom than any other in history. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the results. That is a prescription for failure.
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Thank You Con for your post as always... you have the patience of a saint...
 
Fenton said:
Well delivered ? It was absolute nonsense. Blame and irrelevent topics.

Gun control ? Climate change ?

Its clear by the poll that 91% of the people they polled were full blown morons.

With chronic joblessness, 8,500,000 people missing from the work force, massive structural debt put in place by Obama, not Bush, massive Central Bank Injections, massive defecit spending, record rises in dependence, food stamps, disabillity claims, a shrinking economy with increased spending, a ObamaCare law weighing down the private sector, he chose to talk about gun control.

I hope he gets 9 bucks an hour implemented because he knows what the end result of that stupid policy will be.

More dependence, more democrats but a hastened collapse.
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Blame and irrelevent topics.
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Who did he blame and when? And you think that Gun control Climate change are irrelevent topics??:shock: Ask the people in Newtown if Gun control is an irrelevent topic. The majority of the public disagrees with you. A CBS poll found that a majority of Americans — 54 percent — think gun control laws should be tightened, up markedly from a CBS News poll last April that found that only 39 percent backed stricter laws. That makes it relevent. As for climate change, the beauty of science is that its right whether you believe it nor not. Conservatives are always in denial. They deny the Presidents citizenship, they deny climate change, they deny any possibility that they could possibly be wrong about anything. I assume that you agree that you're a fallible human being. That means you could be wrong about things. Is it possible for an infallible human to create an Infallible ideology? The difference between the conservative and the liberal is that the conservative Knows he's right. The Liberal knows he could be wrong. Which one do you think is closer to the truth?

Its clear by the poll that 91% of the people they polled were full blown morons.
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No. But it is clear that you hate Obama. So you call those that disagree with you names and that makes you feel better, even though it makes you look like a child. 91% of the people approved of it. That means that it wasn't just Democrats. Maybe they know something that you don't. Ever think of that?

With chronic joblessness, 8,500,000 people missing from the work force, massive structural debt put in place by Obama, not Bush, massive Central Bank Injections, massive defecit spending, record rises in dependence, food stamps, disabillity claims, a shrinking economy with increased spending, a ObamaCare law weighing down the private sector, he chose to talk about gun control.
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No. That was only one of the things he talked about and it came at the end of his speech. He talked about the country in positive terms of where we can go as a country. A positive agenda for moving the country forward, not backward. You offer nothing. Rubio offered nothing, except water. Rand Paul offered nothing other than snarky comments about Kings and dictators.

I hope he gets 9 bucks an hour implemented because he knows what the end result of that stupid policy will be.
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If he does, 700,000 people at Wal-Mart will be lifted out of poverty and Wal-Mart won't feel it at all. Costco pays their people $11/hour and they keep their people. But then, they know that treating their employees well is good business.

More dependence, more democrats but a hastened collapse
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More greed from the GunsOverPeople crowd. More rational government from the Dems. BTW the minimum wage was raised during the Clinton admin despite opposition from Repubs. 20Million jobs were created.
 
Adagio said:
...... If he does (raise minimum wage), 700,000 people at Wal-Mart will be lifted out of poverty and Wal-Mart won't feel it at all. Costco pays their people $11/hour and they keep their people. But then, they know that treating their employees well is good business.
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Check you math. $9 per hour lifts no one out of poverty. It does reduce hours, causes lay-offs of the least qualified, and is as a tax on the lower and middle class who will now pay more for goods and services beyond free-market, and are unable to pass on such costs, etc.

Maybe put down the Kool-Ade as well.
 
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specklebang said:
That was an individualized response to another post. Not a generic accusation. I think we may have different interpretations of the term. I think I've adequately explained this.
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Apology accepted.
 
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EarlzP said:
You have no clue on how top do any thing but cut cut cut which does nothing but create the same economic disaster we are dealing with today, your motivated by greed nothing more nothing less for you it is about me me me me and more me, now take your own advice and run off until you really understand how an economy works and what has to be done to fuel our economy.
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When you learn the components of GDP get back to me. In your world it seems to be the Federal Government's responsibility to provide for everything you want or need. That isn't the foundation upon which this country was built but that fact and reality escapes you.

I will not be running soon because I love making you look foolish. Components of GDP EarlzP, components!!
 
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Conservative said:
How about a novel concept of putting economic policies in place to grow the economy to create jobs?
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That is what we are doing, polices necessary to build a strong middle class which creates the demand necessary for production.

We have the Bush Administration to show us that the trickle down/deregulation approach was a failure.

The GOP's only plan is more of the same cut taxes for the wealthy, and well paying jobs will trickle down. The people are painfully aware that approach does not work.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
This is the largest, deepest, pile of excrement that I have seen here in a long time. Conservatism empowers the individual, while disempowering government. Liberalism empowers government, restricting the freedom of the individual. Your post could not be more topsy-turvy bass-ackward.
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No it doesn't. But you've been indoctrinated into the ideology and become a believer in the dogma. Conservatism stomps on the individual. It's a practice of social Darwinism. A social free-for-all. Nothing more. Situationally, conservatism is defined as the ideology arising out of a distinct but recurring type of historical situation in which a fundamental challenge is directed at established institutions and in which the supporters of those institutions employ the conservative ideology in their defense. Thus, conservatism is that system of ideas employed to justify any established social order, no matter where or when it exists, against any fundamental challenge to its nature or being, no matter from what quarter. Conservatism in this sense is possible in the United States today only if there is a basic challenge to existing American institutions which impels their defenders to articulate conservative values. In short, you're stuck in your own ideology. The Civil Rights Movement is a prime example. You think you offer freedom?? :lamo

Conservatism is like living as a sheep lives in a fenced corral. It's very safe....at least until the rancher decides he wants some lamb chops for dinner. Outside the fence of the corral is freedom. But it's also a scary place where anything can happen. So you forsake the freedom for the safety of the corral. Freedom takes a bit more guts I guess. So the sheep justify their existence in the corral as
being orderly and safe and the right way to live. They claim that they are the ones that are all about freedom which they loudly proclaim from within the corral surrounded by the fence. It's the conservative approach. They must maintain the existing institution of the corral. They may talk about Freedom, but what they are really concerned with is safety. They are very timid. They may act tough on the outside, but they lack the guts necessary to pursue freedom.

The liberal is probably the "black sheep". He sees freedom beyond the fence. Beyond the dogma of the corral. It could cost him his life. Or it could present a whole new world. But he thinks it beats waiting around to die in a place that never tries anything new. How can he realize his potential from within a prison of dogma? The sheep in the corral call him a misfit, a socialist, a Libtard, and a lot of other things. But bathing in stupid is no way to go. He doesn't believe in the morality of the flock of sheep. He sees them as hypocritical to claim a love for freedom while living inside the fence in a corral. What do they know of freedom? What is the authority that they speak from? What justifies their claim that they are free? Well it's always been this way. It's the tradition. But that doesn't justify remaining inside the corral. The appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy and the black sheep knows that. The black sheep is only interested in the truth, and he'll never get it from within the dogma of the corral. The truth extends beyond the dogma of the fenced corral. And the Truth will set him free.

As a liberal ...I live outside the corral. And I love it. I decide on matters of truth every day. It isn't decided for me through any dogma. I actually have to think for myself. No prescribed doctrine to follow. It's called freedom.
 
Fenton said:
Well delivered ? It was absolute nonsense. Blame and irrelevent topics.

Gun control ? Climate change ?

Its clear by the poll that 91% of the people they polled were full blown morons.

With chronic joblessness, 8,500,000 people missing from the work force, massive structural debt put in place by Obama, not Bush, massive Central Bank Injections, massive defecit spending, record rises in dependence, food stamps, disabillity claims, a shrinking economy with increased spending, a ObamaCare law weighing down the private sector, he chose to talk about gun control.

I hope he gets 9 bucks an hour implemented because he knows what the end result of that stupid policy will be.

More dependence, more democrats but a hastened collapse.
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Thanks for expressing your view as one of the 9% that disapproved of the SOTU.
 
Adagio said:
Who did he blame and when? And you think
that Gun control Climate change are irrelevent topics??:shock: Ask the people in Newtown if Gun control is an irrelevent topic. The majority of the public disagrees with you. A CBS poll found that a majority of Americans — 54 percent — think gun control laws should be tightened, up markedly from a CBS News poll last April that found that only 39 percent backed stricter laws. That makes it relevent. As for climate change, the beauty of science is that its right whether you believe it nor not. Conservatives are always in denial. They deny the Presidents citizenship, they deny climate change, they deny any possibility that they could possibly be wrong about anything. I assume that you agree that you're a fallible human being. That means you could be wrong about things. Is it possible for an infallible human to create an Infallible ideology? The difference between the conservative and the liberal is that the conservative Knows he's right. The Liberal knows he could be wrong. Which one do you think is closer to the truth?



No. But it is clear that you hate Obama. So you call those that disagree with you names and that makes you feel better, even though it makes you look like a child. 91% of the people approved of it. That means that it wasn't just Democrats. Maybe they know something that you don't. Ever think of that?



No. That was only one of the things he talked about and it came at the end of his speech. He talked about the country in positive terms of where we can go as a country. A positive agenda for moving the country forward, not backward. You offer nothing. Rubio offered nothing, except water. Rand Paul offered nothing other than snarky comments about Kings and dictators.



If he does, 700,000 people at Wal-Mart will be lifted out of poverty and Wal-Mart won't feel it at all. Costco pays their people $11/hour and they keep their people. But then, they know that treating their employees well is good business.



More greed from the GunsOverPeople crowd. More rational government from the Dems. BTW the minimum wage was raised during the Clinton admin despite opposition from Repubs. 20Million jobs were created.
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Yes, its irrelevent . You demagoging the issue using the blood of dead children not withstanding.

Your easily amused, I simply wish the least knowledgable didn't have control over our Countries destination.

He mentioned gun control and you defended him using the blood of innocent children.."classy.."..because he couldn't mention his "accomplishments"..

He has none.

Oh and Clinton lowered cqpital gains tax's. I wasn't impressed by Obamas lies and if the libs agree that a higher minumum wage is the right thing to do, then by your record of failure alone, I'll have to disagree.
 
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ocean515 said:
That's alot of words to avoid answering a simple question. Would you care to answer it, or do you intend to just keep the flow of words coming?

Attempting to question my intelligence, or questioning my ability to reason really is rather juvenile, don't you think?
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I try to give a detailed response to a question. Don't you think your question deserves that? What part of what I said don't you understand. It's really pretty simple. You can't make a universal statement that All liberal societies have failed and cite one example and think that it proves your claim as true. Especially when I or somebody else points to several examples to the contrary. Your claim is a generality. It proves nothing. Get it now? If you think that my answer insults your intelligence I'm sorry, but I've found on forum after forum that conservatives seem to think in absolutes. I think instead of looking for things that support your theory, you'd be better off looking for the things that refute it. All it takes is one example to refute a claim to falsify it. It brings us closer to the truth. That is, if truth matters to you?
 
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Adagio said:
I try to give a detailed response to a question. Don't you think your question deserves that? What part of what I said don't you understand. It's really pretty simple. You can't make a universal statement that All liberal societies have failed and cite one example and think that it proves your claim as true. Especially when I or somebody else points to several examples to the contrary. Your claim is a generality. It proves nothing. Get it now? If you think that my answer insults your intelligence I'm sorry, but I've found on forum after forum that conservatives seem to think in absolutes. I think instead of looking for things that support your theory, you'd be better off looking for the things that refute it. All it takes is one example to refute a claim to falsify it. It brings us closer to the truth. That is, if truth matters to you?
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I think the question could be answered, or ignored.

The rest is fluff.

The fact is, you made a claim about failure, and I asked for an explanation for the economic results in California, where no Republican legislation or action has taken place in over 14 years.

You have chosen to ignore the question.

So be it. I'll accept you have none to offer.
 
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Conservative said:
Since this thread is about the SOU speech and Obama performance, here is something you and other supporters will ignore completely just like all the other Obama lies. I doubt seriously that you would have allowed Bush to get away with this BS

State of the Union 2013 - YouTube
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The Cato Institute? :roll: It's a libertarian organization. I already know about libertarianism. In listening to them I found several things to criticize. As for lies and Bush, I offer you this:

 
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Catawba said:
That is what we are doing, polices necessary to build a strong middle class which creates the demand necessary for production.

We have the Bush Administration to show us that the trickle down/deregulation approach was a failure.

The GOP's only plan is more of the same cut taxes for the wealthy, and well paying jobs will trickle down. The people are painfully aware that approach does not work.
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Catawba, I wish I could understand people like you but never will. The govt. doesn't create a middle class, the economy, market, and personal responsibility will establish the middle class. Doesn't appear that you understand how the economy works. Apparently you were hurt somehow by the U.S. economy but bet if you were honest that failure was your own responsibility. Trickle down has always and will always work, Govt attempts to trickle up never will.

Liberal policies seem to support the govt. taking money from those evil rich people who are paying most of the taxes now and distributing how they see fit. name for me a successful social program that cost what it was supposed to, did what it was supposed to and actually solved a problem? I won't hold my breath waiting.
 
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Adagio said:
The Cato Institute? :roll: It's a libertarian organization. I already know about libertarianism. In listening to them I found several things to criticize. As for lies and Bush, I offer you this:

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Keep blaming Bush four years after he left office while ignoring everything that I have posted. typical liberal diversion. Obama and liberalism is a failure but reality is something you will never understand. Your dream world is a failure.
 
Fenton said:
Redress said:
Oh good lord that is ****ing hilarious. Cutting the deficit is irrelevant![/
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It was one of Clintons big "victories".
( Thanks to a Republican House )

I mean I hear Libs bring it up at least once a day. Now its irrelevent ?
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No. It was irrelevent under Bush/Cheney

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Adagio said:
The Cato Institute? :roll: It's a libertarian organization. I already know
about libertarianism. In listening to them I found several things to criticize. As for lies and Bush, I offer you this:

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the moral authority of the libs to criticize any Bush "lie" has been seriously diminished by the election of Obama.

the intelectual authority....lol....of the libs to criticize the intelligence of Bush has been greatly diminished by the election of Obama.

You guys have no leg to stand on.
 
Fenton said:
Yes, its irrelevent . You demagoging the issue using the blood of dead children not withstanding.

Your easily amused, I simply wish the least knowledgable didn't have control over our Countries destination.

He mentioned gun control and you defended him using the blood of innocent children.."classy.."..because he couldn't mention his "accomplishments"..

He has none.

Oh and Clinton lowered cqpital gains tax's. I wasn't impressed by Obamas lies and if the libs agree that a higher minumum wage is the right thing to do, then by your record of failure alone, I'll have to disagree.
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Demogoguing??? Did you not see the number of people in the gallery at the SOTU that have had family members the victims of gun violence? Do you think that they don't want to see something done about this?? Are you really that cold to call their loss demogoging? Tell that to them. To their face. Go ahead.

Your easily amused, I simply wish the least knowledgable didn't have control over our Countries destination.
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They don't. The Bush years are over and the Republicans are losing badly. They are having their own civil war. They don't know who they are. Why would we want a bunch of irrational ideologues in charge of the country?? We've all seen what happens when you have control of the government. The results came in.

He mentioned gun control and you defended him using the blood of innocent children.."classy.."..because he couldn't mention his "accomplishments"..
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No. I defend the parents of 20 six year olds. That's the difference between you and me. You defend the NRA. Do you also defend their Enemies List?? And the blood drenched psycho that runs it? They couldn't even defend that. They took it off their website. If they weren't ashamed of it, why take it down??

He has none.
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Well he didn't crash our economy. He didn't launch a war on a lie. He didn't let bin Laden get away with murder. He didn't let the auto industry disappear. In fact, he turned the economy around, he ended one war, and is ending another. He got bin Laden, and our auto industry leads the world. The Dow is at 14,000.

I wasn't impressed by Obamas lies
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Were you impressed with these?

 
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Adagio said:
No it doesn't. But you've been indoctrinated into the ideology and become a believer in the dogma. Conservatism stomps on the individual. It's a practice of social Darwinism. A social free-for-all. Nothing more. Situationally, conservatism is defined as the ideology arising out of a distinct but recurring type of historical situation in which a fundamental challenge is directed at established institutions and in which the supporters of those institutions employ the conservative ideology in their defense. Thus, conservatism is that system of ideas employed to justify any established social order, no matter where or when it exists, against any fundamental challenge to its nature or being, no matter from what quarter. Conservatism in this sense is possible in the United States today only if there is a basic challenge to existing American institutions which impels their defenders to articulate conservative values. In short, you're stuck in your own ideology. The Civil Rights Movement is a prime example. You think you offer freedom?? :lamo

Conservatism is like living as a sheep lives in a fenced corral. It's very safe....at least until the rancher decides he wants some lamb chops for dinner. Outside the fence of the corral is freedom. But it's also a scary place where anything can happen. So you forsake the freedom for the safety of the corral. Freedom takes a bit more guts I guess. So the sheep justify their existence in the corral as
being orderly and safe and the right way to live. They claim that they are the ones that are all about freedom which they loudly proclaim from within the corral surrounded by the fence. It's the conservative approach. They must maintain the existing institution of the corral. They may talk about Freedom, but what they are really concerned with is safety. They are very timid. They may act tough on the outside, but they lack the guts necessary to pursue freedom.

The liberal is probably the "black sheep". He sees freedom beyond the fence. Beyond the dogma of the corral. It could cost him his life. Or it could present a whole new world. But he thinks it beats waiting around to die in a place that never tries anything new. How can he realize his potential from within a prison of dogma? The sheep in the corral call him a misfit, a socialist, a Libtard, and a lot of other things. But bathing in stupid is no way to go. He doesn't believe in the morality of the flock of sheep. He sees them as hypocritical to claim a love for freedom while living inside the fence in a corral. What do they know of freedom? What is the authority that they speak from? What justifies their claim that they are free? Well it's always been this way. It's the tradition. But that doesn't justify remaining inside the corral. The appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy and the black sheep knows that. The black sheep is only interested in the truth, and he'll never get it from within the dogma of the corral. The truth extends beyond the dogma of the fenced corral. And the Truth will set him free.

As a liberal ...I live outside the corral. And I love it. I decide on matters of truth every day. It isn't decided for me through any dogma. I actually have to think for myself. No prescribed doctrine to follow. It's called freedom.
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This is rubbish, top to bottom. Liberals don't believe in freedom of choice. Freedom of opportunity. They abhor the accountability inherent with real freedom. Quite the contrary, they want mandated results, using the confiscatory power of government, to take the fruits of the labor of one, and redistribute to another. That ain't freedom liberals. That's theft.

The guy who I quoted in my sig line knew a bit about that.
 
Adagio said:
Demogoguing??? Did you not see the number of people in the gallery at the SOTU that have had family members the victims of gun violence? Do you think that they don't want to see something done about this?? Are you really that cold to call their loss demogoging? Tell that to them. To their face. Go ahead.



They don't. The Bush years are over and the Republicans are losing badly. They are having their own civil war. They don't know who they are. Why would we want a bunch of irrational ideologues in charge of the country?? We've all seen what happens when you have control of the government. The results came in.



No. I defend the parents of 20 six year olds. That's the difference between you and me. You defend the NRA. Do you also defend their Enemies List?? And the blood drenched psycho that runs it? They couldn't even defend that. They took it off their website. If they weren't ashamed of it, why take it down??



Well he didn't crash our economy. He didn't launch a war on a lie. He didn't let bin Laden get away with murder. He didn't let the auto industry disappear. In fact, he turned the economy around, he ended one war, and is ending another. He got bin Laden, and our auto industry leads the world. The Dow is at 14,000.



Were you impressed with these?

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Did you read the 9/11 Butler report regarding what you called a lie? didn't think so because you only believe leftwing lies and distortions. I am sure that is going to help you in the future when the leftwing leaves you and goes after someone else too young to think for themselves. What Bush stated was substantiated by the Butler Report. Suggest you read it.
 
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Conservative said:
Catawba, I wish I could understand people like you but never will. The govt. doesn't create a middle class, the economy, market, and personal responsibility will establish the middle class. Doesn't appear that you understand how the economy works. Apparently you were hurt somehow by the U.S. economy but bet if you were honest that failure was your own responsibility. Trickle down has always and will always work, Govt attempts to trickle up never will.

Liberal policies seem to support the govt. taking money from those evil rich people who are paying most of the taxes now and distributing how they see fit. name for me a successful social program that cost what it was supposed to, did what it was supposed to and actually solved a problem? I won't hold my breath waiting.
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If you knew more of our nation's history you would understand people like me better, but you never will. Without government intervention we would still be operating under the robber baron and serf system.

The working class has experienced trickle down/deregulation and found that they sucked. I don't think you will convince them to be suckers for it again anytime soon.
 
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Conservative said:
Keep blaming Bush four years after he left office while ignoring everything that I have posted. typical liberal diversion. Obama and liberalism is a failure but reality is something you will never understand. Your dream world is a failure.
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Did you or did you not bring up lies and Bush?? Lets see: "I doubt seriously that you would have allowed Bush to get away with this BS" :doh

Obama and liberalism is a failure but reality is something you will never understand. Your dream world is a failure
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Here's why you're wrong. You're judging Obama before he's finished. He just started his second term. Your premature judgment shows that it's nothing but partisan BS. You can say Obama is a failure, and liberalism is a failure, all you want but that doesn't make it a failure. You judge something AFTER it's done. NOT before it's done. If Obama lowered unemployment to 2% you'd still deny his success and you know it. You're a partisan hack, and that's it. Why don't you face it, and admit that just hate the guy. At least you'd be honest about it. I could criticize Bush during his term, and with good reason, but ultimately he'll be judged by history. How did he leave the country for the next guy. Bush left a wreck. I don't think that's going to happen with Obama. Time will tell.

I understand reality far better than you could imagine. I don't subscribe to any ideology as you do. Ideologies cannot demonstrate why they're true. They're baseless. You don't understand that REALITY. Until you do, you're in no position to question me. If something isn't working, I'm willing to change it. You aren't. You'll jam it like a square peg in a round hole to hold to the ideology. That's not reality. You don't force reality to fit your ideology. You adapt the philosophy to meet reality.
 
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Catawba said:
If you knew more of our nation's history you would understand people like me better, but you never will. Without government intervention we would still be operating under the robber baron and serf system.

The working class has experienced trickle down/deregulation and found that they sucked. I don't think you will convince them to be suckers for it again anytime soon.
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Let me know the last time our govt. spent over 3.5 trillion dollars which apparently is the kind of intervention you support. You really believe giving more money to the govt. is going to help people get to the middle class? You really are very naive. The working class has become dependent under this Administration so apparently that is ok with you. How much are you dependent on the taxpayers who fund the govt?
 
Fenton said:
the moral authority of the libs to criticize any Bush "lie" has been seriously diminished by the election of Obama.

the intelectual authority....lol....of the libs to criticize the intelligence of Bush has been greatly diminished by the election of Obama.

You guys have no leg to stand on.
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the moral authority of the libs to criticize any Bush "lie" has been seriously diminished by the election of Obama.
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Really? Bush's lies sent 5000 Americans to their death. And you want to talk about moral authority??:shock: So the election of Obama is somehow worse than lying the country into a war that cost American lives?? You have a pathetic sense of morality. Your hatred for Obama is so great that it's worth sending American troops to die rather than have Obama as president?? You actually hate him more than you love the troops?? :confused:

the intelectual authority....lol....of the libs to criticize the intelligence of Bush has been greatly diminished by the election of Obama.
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Now your just tossing sour grapes. You lost. You're views are out of touch with the country. It's not a White Mans country anymore. Get used to it. AS for having a leg to stand on...hehe. We have the White House. You don't. Suck on that for the next four years. :2wave:
 
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