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SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

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Conservative said:
Taxes .13 per gallon? Where in the hell do you live. There are Federal Excise taxes, state excise taxes, and in many states local and maybe even sales taxes on gasoline. I suggest better research on your part. Product costs are also not profits to oil companies who have to pay for most of the product they sell and then pay for finding the product, getting the producand t out of the ground, refining, and marketing. It does seem you have a problem understanding profit as well as risk taking. Not surprising.
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It seems you have a problem with the truth and believe you can just spout off without a credible source, I am not a tea bagger who believes any BS that is printed. The federal government does not have a thing to do with state and local taxes does it. If you have a problem with my source address it. You have no idea of what my business background is.
 
justabubba said:
who said a $9 minimum wage would take those earners out of poverty...
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Adagio did...:

Adagio said:
Why would you oppose a $9 minimum wage? Do you want to keep people living in poverty? Most jobs pay more then the minimum amyway. This takes people barely over the poverty line.
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...:coffeepap
 
uhohhotdog said:
More sickening comments from conservatives. EVERYONE that works full time hours should have a basic living wage. It's called being human and having empathy.

I can't believe how little people here care about others. It's all everyone for themselves. So disgusting. It makes me literally sick to my stomach that people actually think this way.
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That is simply nonsense. Should everyone attending class get a C grade? Like grades in school, pay at work is based on measuring individual output, not mere attendance. To assert that a burger flipper and a construction laborer work equally hard and produce as much is insane, therefore the pay rates differ, just as the job responsibilities do. Should a counter worker in the medical clinic make the same as a nurse or doctor? Life is not like the special olympics, you do not get a medal just for participation.
 
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Conservative said:
Then you shouldn't have any problem showing where that 400 billion a year is going to come from by listing the actual cuts? Has Obama proposed any actual spending cuts or are we still going to increase spending hopefully to be paid for by tax increases? You don't think tax increases impact human behavior thus spending? How does cuts in spending affect govt. revenue? Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate? He keeps spewing the rhetoric and supporters continue to buy that rhetoric
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you have to invest

If as you state you ran a 1200 person business it is a miracle you stayed in business any experienced business owner knows you have to invest to promote growth, your party has done every thing it can to try to derail any thing that OUR president has proposed. If the democratic party had used the same tactics on Presidents Reagan and Bush our debt would not be any where near what it is. Your party created this mess and now know if President Obama can pull us out of it your party will become part of history, ancient history nothing more than a footnote in a history book.
 
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Conservative said:
Do taxpayers pay debt service on the debt or the deficit. To take credit for a lower deficit than the previous year when that deficit is still over a trillion dollarsand the debt up to 16.5 trillion dollars and still showed debt service increases is typical liberalism that appeals to the poorly informed.
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You were the one who made the comment "during the Clinton years there was no surplus" which for most indicates no change in the current accounts. Most will admit that the national debt did increase but that the national deficit on annual budgets disappeared and that there was a 'surplus' in federal revenues. After all, that was the primary excuse for the 2001 Bush tax cuts - "the government is taking your money and doesn't need it"


Raving about a steadily decreasing deficit and the growth in the national debt with incurred service increases, most of it due to policies supported and instituted by Republicans, while supporting economic beliefs that have been shown to be failures time and time again is typical 'conservatism' that appeals to the poorly informed.
 
justabubba said:
i have. many, actually
and i do. it's good business to hire the smartest employees you can afford
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Obama wants you to hire over sex and race... not whos best...get with the Obama...

and let me guess..business has never been better then under Obama....right?
 
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EarlzP said:
you have to invest

If as you state you ran a 1200 person business it is a miracle you stayed in business any experienced business owner knows you have to invest to promote growth, your party has done every thing it can to try to derail any thing that OUR president has proposed. If the democratic party had used the same tactics on Presidents Reagan and Bush our debt would not be any where near what it is. Your party created this mess and now know if President Obama can pull us out of it your party will become part of history, ancient history nothing more than a footnote in a history book.
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Oh Pulleeeeze.... you obviously have no idea.... the banks will only let you invest if you can keep within you banking covenent..

Obama is spending us over the ledge so we can become more dependent on Goverment...

who ya fooling?....really...
 
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EarlzP said:
It seems you have a problem with the truth and believe you can just spout off without a credible source, I am not a tea bagger who believes any BS that is printed. The federal government does not have a thing to do with state and local taxes does it. If you have a problem with my source address it. You have no idea of what my business background is.
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I know you have no business background...

"tea bagger".....classy....what ever you sell I dont need
 
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EarlzP said:
you have to invest

If as you state you ran a 1200 person business it is a miracle you stayed in business any experienced business owner knows you have to invest to promote growth, your party has done every thing it can to try to derail any thing that OUR president has proposed. If the democratic party had used the same tactics on Presidents Reagan and Bush our debt would not be any where near what it is. Your party created this mess and now know if President Obama can pull us out of it your party will become part of history, ancient history nothing more than a footnote in a history book.
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Obama's use of invest = taxing more...

are you taxing your cleintel more?
 
Bronson said:
There was no multiplier effect with Obama's Stimulus and there was no "Infrastructure Spending" really associated with it, despite Obama's promises. It's a myth. Government is recycling resources. Taking from the left hand to pay the right hand. No new wealth is being created. His stimulus had a multiplier effect of 1. If it created wealth it wouldn't have added it's entire cost and more to the deficit. Seriously, you really need to quit now before further embarrassment. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

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I already explained it to you in the previous post. It can already be seen in the current labor market. There are 8 million less people working now then when Obama took office. They left the Labor Market. The Labor Force Participation rate has shrunk dramatically within 4 years. Hence more competition for the fewer and fewer jobs available. Employers are able to be more picky with who they hire, hence why we have so many people that are also underemployed. This causes the most unskilled workers to be crowded out of the Labor Market (Youth/Minorities). If you increase worker costs even more on employers through Government intervention by raising the minimum wage, employers are only going to cut costs and raise prices on their goods and services. That means layoffs. A centrally planned Government can't legislate how business will react to their demands. Look this is basic economics. It's not my problem you are unable to grasp it.
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Hhmm…
There was no multiplier effect with Obama's Stimulus and there was no "Infrastructure Spending" really associated with it, despite Obama's promises”
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eh?:doh

Tell that to the 1.45 million people who are working as a direct result of the $80 billion auto bailout.

But of course you knew that, when you attempted to deflect to the “non-partisan stimulus “rather than addressing the economic advantages of the multiplier effects of increasing minimum wages 25%.

That's understandable in a somewhat draconian way when you realize that the only way republicans (The party who is against economically struggling Americans) can get elected,on a national level in the 21st century is with lies and voter suppression.:peace
 
justabubba said:
i have. many, actually
and i do. it's good business to hire the smartest employees you can afford
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So which govt agency or law required you to pay higher than the minimum wage? You didn't need the govt. to tell you what to pay your employees, why? Are you that much smarter than all other business owners? Thanks for showing that we don't need the govt. to set wages for private industry as good businesses hire good employees whereas bad businesses fail. Such is life
 
Whipsnade said:
Hhmm… eh?:doh


Tell that to the 1.45 million people who are working as a direct result of the $80 billion auto bailout.

But of course you knew that, when you attempted to deflect to the “non-partisan stimulus “rather than addressing the economic advantages of the multiplier effects of increasing minimum wages 25%.

That's understandable in a somewhat draconian way when you realize that the only way republicans (The party who is against economically struggling Americans) can get elected,on a national level in the 21st century is with lies and voter suppression.:peace
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How exactly did you quantify that ? 1.45 million ?
 
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Redress said:
Can you not do your homework? Report: Our Debt Problems Are Far From Solved | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
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I have and continue to do my homework, why won't you?

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

Line items in the budget and amount spent vs preceeding years. Obama claimed 2.5 trillion in cuts. Where are they?
 
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EarlzP said:
It seems you have a problem with the truth and believe you can just spout off without a credible source, I am not a tea bagger who believes any BS that is printed. The federal government does not have a thing to do with state and local taxes does it. If you have a problem with my source address it. You have no idea of what my business background is.
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You claimed that oil company taxes were 13 cents and didn't signify what taxes that included. Federal excise taxes today are more than 13 cents. You further show what business background you have when you cannot determine expenses from revenue thus have no idea what profits are.
 
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EarlzP said:
you have to invest

If as you state you ran a 1200 person business it is a miracle you stayed in business any experienced business owner knows you have to invest to promote growth, your party has done every thing it can to try to derail any thing that OUR president has proposed. If the democratic party had used the same tactics on Presidents Reagan and Bush our debt would not be any where near what it is. Your party created this mess and now know if President Obama can pull us out of it your party will become part of history, ancient history nothing more than a footnote in a history book.
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Budgets are yearly, deficits are yearly, Obama has had four years of trillion dollar deficits. Neither Reagan, GWH Bush or GW Bush forced Obama to spend over a trillion dollars a year more than revenue generated. With people like you supporting this kind of fiscal irresponsibility of Obama's this country will become part of history. You have no concept of debt, fiscal responsibility, debt service, or the U.S. Budget. You show that with every post. Now run away as usual.
 
Conservative said:
So which govt agency or law required you to pay higher than the minimum wage? You didn't need the govt. to tell you what to pay your employees, why? Are you that much smarter than all other business owners? Thanks for showing that we don't need the govt. to set wages for private industry as good businesses hire good employees whereas bad businesses fail. Such is life
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many business owners are not very enlightened
they will want to pay as little as they can in the false belief that will enhance their profitability
hope that answers your question why the need for a wage floor

it has come up earlier in the thread that places like sweden, norway and denmark do not have a national minimum wage ... what was not explained is that is only because the labor unions negotiate those wages by industry. inserted this to preempt your trying to cite their failure to establish a wage floor as evidence your position is sound. it is not
 
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Somerville said:
You were the one who made the comment "during the Clinton years there was no surplus" which for most indicates no change in the current accounts. Most will admit that the national debt did increase but that the national deficit on annual budgets disappeared and that there was a 'surplus' in federal revenues. After all, that was the primary excuse for the 2001 Bush tax cuts - "the government is taking your money and doesn't need it"


Raving about a steadily decreasing deficit and the growth in the national debt with incurred service increases, most of it due to policies supported and instituted by Republicans, while supporting economic beliefs that have been shown to be failures time and time again is typical 'conservatism' that appeals to the poorly informed.
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Here we go again, the U.S. Treasury is the bank account of the U.S. and that Dept did not show a Clinton surplus. Better give them a call and ask for the record to be corrected. Before doing that learn the components of the deficit and debt. Get back to me when you have it figured out.
 
justabubba said:
many business owners are not very enlightened
they will want to pay as little as they can in the false belief that will enhance their profitability
hope that answers your question why the need for a wage floor

it has come up earlier in the thread that places like sweden, norway and denmark do not have a national minimum wage ... what was not explained is that is only because the labor unions negotiate those wages by industry. inserted this to preempt your trying to cite their failure to establish a wage floor as evidence your position is sound. it is not
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Then those businesses will fail as they should. The govt. will just step aside and wait for the next business to open up to tax. It does seem that liberal arrogance pervails in that liberals believe they have all the answers. You didn't pay minimum wage thus apparently think you are smarter than others. Businesses that fail to keep up with competition will continue to fail and those employees making the new minimum wage will have to find their work someplace else.

It isn't the government's place to dictate to you or anyone else what to pay their employees. Nor is it your place to define a liveable wage. Still waiting for you to answer the question that other liberals won't, how many people are making minimum wage, who are they, and how long do they make that wage?
 
Conservative said:
Then those businesses will fail as they should. The govt. will just step aside and wait for the next business to open up to tax. It does seem that liberal arrogance pervails in that liberals believe they have all the answers. You didn't pay minimum wage thus apparently think you are smarter than others. Businesses that fail to keep up with competition will continue to fail and those employees making the new minimum wage will have to find their work someplace else.

It isn't the government's place to dictate to you or anyone else what to pay their employees. Nor is it your place to define a liveable wage. Still waiting for you to answer the question that other liberals won't, how many people are making minimum wage, who are they, and how long do they make that wage?
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the government establishes a wage floor to protect the employees until the business fails
 
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Conservative said:
I have and continue to do my homework, why won't you?

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

Line items in the budget and amount spent vs preceeding years. Obama claimed 2.5 trillion in cuts. Where are they?
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Good job on looking at the wrong document to find itemized changes. That is why I linked to one that actually has them. No why don't you go look at the nice chart provided so you do not have to ask dumb questions.
 
justabubba said:
the government establishes a wage floor to protect the employees until the business fails
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Govt involvement causes more businesses to fail. The market place will and should create the floor, not the govt. You didn't pay minimum wage, I never paid minimum wage and yet you have not answered how many are making minimum wage. This is the typical liberal argument where you and others think with their heart instead of their brain.
 
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Redress said:
Good job on looking at the wrong document to find itemized changes. That is why I linked to one that actually has them. No why don't you go look at the nice chart provided so you do not have to ask dumb questions.
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I linked to the budget of the United States obviously not a site that you are familiar with. I am still waiting for an itemized list of the 2.5 trillion in cuts Obama says he has initiated. Seems that the budget of the United States is foreign to people like you as is the debt and deficits which they report and taxpayers pay debt service on.

One of these days you and all other liberals are going to wake up and wonder what the hell happened. Imagine debt service and normal interest rates on a 16.5 trillion dollar debt? Debt service is the fourth largest budget item so tell me what benefit that provides to the American people?
 
justabubba said:
many business owners are not very enlightened
they will want to pay as little as they can in the false belief that will enhance their profitability
hope that answers your question why the need for a wage floor

it has come up earlier in the thread that places like sweden, norway and denmark do not have a national minimum wage ... what was not explained is that is only because the labor unions negotiate those wages by industry. inserted this to preempt your trying to cite their failure to establish a wage floor as evidence your position is sound. it is not
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You have never had to deal with banks and credit lines I can tell....
 
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