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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Yep.Sometimes i can be a melon head.





    Hhmm... 133.56 million in January of 2009. 134.02 jobs for December of 2012 for net gain of=460,000 or 0.3 percent.What was the economy dong, during the last few months of the presidency of the president that conservatives would rather ignore?

    Even us melon heads can like an economy chugging along with a Job growth of about 150,000 per month over one loosing about 700 K per month.



    Musta had blue light a sale on crystal balls at Wally World last night before yer shift at the door was over eh?
    Awesome results, only 22 million plus unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, 50 million on food stamps, over 100 million on some form of taxpayer assistance, and 16.5 trillion in debt with Obama adding more than any other President in history. A true liberal dream economy, high debt, high unemployment, and low economic growth

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    Re: SOTU Address:

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    Awesome results, only 22 million plus unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, 50 million on food stamps, over 100 million on some form of taxpayer assistance, and 16.5 trillion in debt with Obama adding more than any other President in history. A true liberal dream economy, high debt, high unemployment, and low economic growth

    I coulda been worse. During the first term of the presidency of the president (who shall remain unnamed) but was president when the GREAT BUSH RECESSION began we had zero job growth.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Yep.Sometimes i can be a melon head.





    Hhmm... 133.56 million in January of 2009. 134.02 jobs for December of 2012 for net gain of=460,000 or 0.3 percent.What was the economy dong, during the last few months of the presidency of the president that conservatives would rather ignore?

    Even us melon heads can like an economy chugging along with a Job growth of about 150,000 per month over one loosing about 700 K per month.



    Musta had blue light a sale on crystal balls at Wally World last night before yer shift at the door was over eh?
    You must be so proud as you are getting the workforce exactly like you want it, declining and dependent on the taxpayers who are actually paying FIT. When the recession began in December 2007 there were 146 million Americans employed and today that is 143 million. So fewer people working than before the recession and a labor force that isn't keeping up with population growth. Thought we hired Obama to fix that and he claimed he had the answers. Another SOU speech of empty rhetoric that doesn't match the results yet people like you still buy the rhetoric.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    I coulda been worse. During the first term of the presidency of the president (who shall remain unnamed) but was president when the GREAT BUSH RECESSION began we had zero job growth.
    Yep, keep blaming Bush for that is all liberals do, blame someone else for their own failures. I am sure that works well for you.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

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    You must be so proud as you are getting the workforce exactly like you want it, declining and dependent on the taxpayers who are actually paying FIT. When the recession began in December 2007 there were 146 million Americans employed and today that is 143 million. So fewer people working than before the recession and a labor force that isn't keeping up with population growth. Thought we hired Obama to fix that and he claimed he had the answers. Another SOU speech of empty rhetoric that doesn't match the results yet people like you still buy the rhetoric.
    YeHbutt...BO.s got four more years to clean up the mess of the typical republicanism incompetence he inherited .Hopefully the economy isn’t damaged beyond repair.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Where was your concern over the last decade? When according to NBER productivity growth in the United States has rebounded sharply over the past decade. Hhmmm…what was the tax rate when it started its decade long climb?
    Productivity gains have all been eaten up by increased costs of employment. I've noted before on this forum that the fed govts own numbers puts my costs of meeting govt regs at just under $22k/employee/yr, add to that 9-15% increases in healthcare costs per year for at least the last 15 years. Rising energy costs, I could go on. Those productivity gains have allowed people like me to tread water, nothing more.

    I am familiar with an operation such as yours .My son has a very successful Tool and Die shop. If you do any stampings to for BOEING Or GE, there’s a good chance you’re using one of his dies, or jig assemblies.
    We build tooling inhouse.

    Where is your concern for people that work for minimum wage that have seen their buying power shrink… for example, minimum wage was $1.60 per hour in 1968, which translates to about $10.50 in today’s bucks.
    I'm quite concerned with min wage workers. I just have a difficult time understanding how raising the labor costs of companies that hire min wage workers 24% is going to make those companies flourish. And if the company suffers where does that leave the employee? In addition, I don't know how to break it to you but the companies buying power is shrinking at the same time. Or as employers are we somehow immune to price increases?

    As to the min wage in 1968, employers weren't dealing with even 1% of the govt nonsense that I do. Piling on thousands upon thousands of pages of govt bs, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade really does have an effect.

    Are these people just a number on your bottom line? Have you bothered to check out any of these plating shops that hires from manpower? If you do/did you had better be conversant in Spanish.
    I'm in a plating plant at least twice a week, and it's still English being spoken, albeit not very well. Most of these temp workers are borderline unemployable. The shop I'm most familiar with literally has a smell check for temp workers at the beginning of each shift, most days they kick one or two out due to their still being drunk from the night before or from the shots they had on their way in. Under no circumstances can they allow temp workers to leave the building for breaks or lunch or they have to do the smell test all over.

    The idea that these temp workers are good hard working people that just got caught up in a bad economy is just wrong, any decent temp they get is swooped up by someone like me, I have two of their former temps on my staff right now. And that evil owner of the plating company? He's the one that called me and said "hey I've got a good kid in here from the temp service who's a keeper, know anyone looking for help?" He'd love to keep them himself but the chances that a good kid is going to stay there hanging parts for even $10/hr are nil.

    This amounts to nothing more than feel good legislation. At the end of the day the political left will pat themselves on the back while I and the plater lay people off. Keep in mind that the work I lose will also impact my other vendors as well, material suppliers, heat treating, welders, fastener suppliers, I could go on. And of course none of these losses will show up on the govts or the political lefts scorecard when all is said and done. Unintended consequences aren't a problem if you don't acknowledge they exist and someone else is dealing with the aftermath.

    Here's an idea, lets create more jobs so that there is competition for employees and employers have to pay more. And the lefts way to do this?

    increased taxes
    more regulations
    more bureaucrats
    more govt spending
    more debt
    increased costs on the states
    24% increase in labor costs for those hiring unskilled workers

    On my scorecard that's strike seven.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Yep.Sometimes i can be a melon head.


    Hhmm... 133.56 million in January of 2009. 134.02 jobs for December of 2012 for net gain of=460,000 or 0.3 percent.What was the economy dong, during the last few months of the presidency of the president that conservatives would rather ignore?

    Even us melon heads can like an economy chugging along with a Job growth of about 150,000 per month over one loosing about 700 K per month. :

    Musta had blue light a sale on crystal balls at Wally World last night before yer shift at the door was over eh?
    150,000 jobs per month and we're pumping 85 billion into the system per month, by my calculations that's $566,666.66 per job. And of course that's on top of the $5Tr already spent.

    One step forward, two steps back. OK maybe three steps back.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    YeHbutt...BO.s got four more years to clean up the mess of the typical republicanism incompetence he inherited .Hopefully the economy isn’t damaged beyond repair.
    Just like a liberal no civics understanding at all. Amzing how a "dumb cowboy" from TX was allowed by a Democrat controlled Congress to destroy the economy all by himself and yet the smartest man to ever hold the office with a Democrat Congress couldn't clean up the mess in his first two years. Amazing to me how liberals like you buy the rhetoric and ignore the results.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    This pretty much describes a liberal and is on full display with the Obama results. To a liberal however rhetoric trumps results.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

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    Productivity gains have all been eaten up by increased costs of employment. I've noted before on this forum that the fed govts own numbers puts my costs of meeting govt regs at just under $22k/employee/yr, add to that 9-15% increases in healthcare costs per year for at least the last 15 years. Rising energy costs, I could go on. Those productivity gains have allowed people like me to tread water, nothing more.



    We build tooling inhouse.



    I'm quite concerned with min wage workers. I just have a difficult time understanding how raising the labor costs of companies that hire min wage workers 24% is going to make those companies flourish. And if the company suffers where does that leave the employee? In addition, I don't know how to break it to you but the companies buying power is shrinking at the same time. Or as employers are we somehow immune to price increases?

    As to the min wage in 1968, employers weren't dealing with even 1% of the govt nonsense that I do. Piling on thousands upon thousands of pages of govt bs, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade really does have an effect.



    I'm in a plating plant at least twice a week, and it's still English being spoken, albeit not very well. Most of these temp workers are borderline unemployable. The shop I'm most familiar with literally has a smell check for temp workers at the beginning of each shift, most days they kick one or two out due to their still being drunk from the night before or from the shots they had on their way in. Under no circumstances can they allow temp workers to leave the building for breaks or lunch or they have to do the smell test all over.

    The idea that these temp workers are good hard working people that just got caught up in a bad economy is just wrong, any decent temp they get is swooped up by someone like me, I have two of their former temps on my staff right now. And that evil owner of the plating company? He's the one that called me and said "hey I've got a good kid in here from the temp service who's a keeper, know anyone looking for help?" He'd love to keep them himself but the chances that a good kid is going to stay there hanging parts for even $10/hr are nil.

    This amounts to nothing more than feel good legislation. At the end of the day the political left will pat themselves on the back while I and the plater lay people off. Keep in mind that the work I lose will also impact my other vendors as well, material suppliers, heat treating, welders, fastener suppliers, I could go on. And of course none of these losses will show up on the govts or the political lefts scorecard when all is said and done. Unintended consequences aren't a problem if you don't acknowledge they exist and someone else is dealing with the aftermath.

    Here's an idea, lets create more jobs so that there is competition for employees and employers have to pay more. And the lefts way to do this?

    increased taxes
    more regulations
    more bureaucrats
    more govt spending
    more debt
    increased costs on the states
    24% increase in labor costs for those hiring unskilled workers

    On my scorecard that's strike seven.
    gingern44

    As to the min wage in 1968, employers weren't dealing with even 1% of the govt nonsense that I do. Piling on thousands upon thousands of pages of govt bs, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade really does have an effect.”
    AHh…wont the mean ole EPA let you leak your trichloroethylene into the ground water anymore?
    Its SO SAD that they won’t let you give the renta wino’s from manpower bladder cancer are parkensons anymore either. WTF, they more than likely woulda died from cirrhosis of the Liver anyway. WHATA BUMMER.

    Increased taxes=On only on those that can afford it, like the top 2 %.
    More regulations=Cleaner air and drinkable water.
    More bureaucrats=SHOW ME
    More govt spending=Less wars=less spending
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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