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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    If you attribute most of fiscal year 2009 to George W. Bush then, after adjusting for inflation, federal spending under Obama has actually dropped by 0.1 percent. Politifact checked the numbers and agreed: “Using raw dollars, Obama did oversee the lowest annual increases in spending of any president in 60 years,” they write. “Using inflation-adjusted dollars, Obama had the second-lowest increase -- in fact, he actually presided over a decrease.”
    That argument only "works" if you discount the fact that Obama added $787 billion ARRA spending, authorized in February 2009. Obama also directed most of the actual TARP spending. Considering that to be "Bush spending" is insane and very dishonest. Federal spending went up 20% from 2007/8 to 2008/9 and Obama, via his puppet Harry Reid, has kept it at that elevated level by using continuing resolutions, while he and the MSM insist how frugal he is. Get real!
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That argument only "works" if you discount the fact that Obama added $787 billion ARRA spending, authorized in February 2009. Obama also directed most of the actual TARP spending. Considering that to be "Bush spending" is insane and very dishonest. Federal spending went up 20% from 2007/8 to 2008/9 and Obama, via his puppet Harry Reid, has kept it at that elevated level by using continuing resolutions, while he and the MSM insist how frugal he is. Get real!
    The lack of knowledge about how our govt. works, the fiscal year of the United States, basic civics, understanding of the deficit and debt by liberals is staggering as it seems they prefer buying rhetoric from the left vs. actual research. What is quite telling is how Bush is the scapegoat for everything even though he has been out of office for 4 years. It does seem that liberals are never responsible for anything and always blame someone else for their own failures.

    The fiscal year of the United States runs from October to September, not the calendar year. The 2009 budget was not signed by GW Bush as it was rejected by the Democrat Controlled Congress so the govt. operated on continuing resolutions until Obama signed it in March 2009. As has been pointed out here, Obama spent TARP money, Obama presented and spent the ARRA money, Obama took over GM/Chrysler, Obama spent money on the Afghanistan surge, and of course Obama never applied the repayment of TARP to the budget deficit but recycled it instead.

    Liberals always talk about the cost of the wars being off budget but they ignore that the cost of the wars are included in the debt charged to Bush. Liberals always ignore that the debt under Obama exceeds the entire Bush debt and he generated that debt in 4 years.

    Don't know what it is about liberalism that generates this kind of loyalty but that loyalty is destroying the country.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The lack of knowledge about how our govt. works, the fiscal year of the United States, basic civics, understanding of the deficit and debt by liberals is staggering as it seems they prefer buying rhetoric from the left vs. actual research. What is quite telling is how Bush is the scapegoat for everything even though he has been out of office for 4 years. It does seem that liberals are never responsible for anything and always blame someone else for their own failures.

    The fiscal year of the United States runs from October to September, not the calendar year. The 2009 budget was not signed by GW Bush as it was rejected by the Democrat Controlled Congress so the govt. operated on continuing resolutions until Obama signed it in March 2009. As has been pointed out here, Obama spent TARP money, Obama presented and spent the ARRA money, Obama took over GM/Chrysler, Obama spent money on the Afghanistan surge, and of course Obama never applied the repayment of TARP to the budget deficit but recycled it instead.

    Liberals always talk about the cost of the wars being off budget but they ignore that the cost of the wars are included in the debt charged to Bush. Liberals always ignore that the debt under Obama exceeds the entire Bush debt and he generated that debt in 4 years.

    Don't know what it is about liberalism that generates this kind of loyalty but that loyalty is destroying the country.
    The MSM allows Obama to have the cake and blame Bush for having created and eaten it.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    I always love it when liberals us "inflation adjusted" or "he wasn't immaculated until Jan 2009". Intellectual dishonesty at it's best.

    The very fact the present occupier of the White House will be known for...."It's someone else's fault" reveals all you need to know about lack of character.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    QUOTE OpportunityCost

    Not on me to hunt up the source for someone's post, its the other way around. But then you know that.
    Most would have seized upon that opportunity to rebut a position....If they had solid position.Quite telling.

    I was even nice about it, so no need to hit your wiseacre button.
    "That was easy enough to find"
    And you consider this a "wiseacre button"?Again quite telling. In an ole timely way.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by gingern44 View Post
    Small businesses have also drawn the short end of that stick, people seem to think that all the minimum wage workers are employed at giant conglomerates that have more money than they know what to do with. That's just not true. Raising the min wage to $9 will do nothing but hurt the very people hiring low skilled workers.

    I'll give you an example from my own situation. I run a metal stamping plant. My largest vendor is a plater, I make the parts they coat them. They employ low skilled (mostly temps) workers to hang my parts on a rack. Now they have a few long term people that are good at the job and they can make up to $10/hr. The majority are temps making min wage and for the most part aren't worth that. Now this company stands to see their labor costs go up dramatically, at which time I will undoubtedly see a price increase. Things being as they are I cannot eat those increased costs, I'm already cut to the bone. I will approach my customers with a price increase at which time they will laugh hysterically. The bottom line is I WILL lose work, not maybe, I WILL lose work, period. And so will the plater. So at the end of the day this will not only cost some of those min wage workers their job but will in all likelihood cost some one in my shop theirs. My lowest paid employee makes $14/hr.

    What drives me crazier than anything else is that at the end of the day, those that support this increase will point to Mcds and say "see, everything worked out fine". Neither my employees nor the platers will ever even be acknowledged. I've been through this before and it doesn't end well.
    Where was your concern over the last decade? When according to NBER productivity growth in the United States has rebounded sharply over the past decade. Hhmmm…what was the tax rate when it started its decade long climb?

    I am familiar with an operation such as yours .My son has a very successful Tool and Die shop. If you do any stampings to for BOEING Or GE, there’s a good chance you’re using one of his dies, or jig assemblies.

    Where is your concern for people that work for minimum wage that have seen their buying power shrink… for example, minimum wage was $1.60 per hour in 1968, which translates to about $10.50 in today’s bucks. Are these people just a number on your bottom line? Have you bothered to check out any of these plating shops that hires from manpower? If you do/did you had better be conversant in Spanish.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    For all the whizz-bang liberals who claim that raising the MW will grow the economy.

    "MW for Dummies": In order to grow the economy, one must increase productivity, which then increases income, and more importantly, standard of living. Raising the MW does not do this. Paying someone more to produce the same quantity of goods or services must then be offset by an increase in the price of the goods or services, as ther was no increase in productivity. Which means that the customer must now pay more of their disposable income to buy those g and s. Which leaves the customer with two choices 1) Purchase less; or 2) find a way to raise the price of their labor, if possible, so that they can also pass it on to someone else.

    In the end. you have not grown the economy. You will have a mix of inflation, job losses where an employer cannot meet the increased labor costs where there was no increase in productivity, and a reduction in standard of living, where folks now can only make do by purchasing less.

    Where customer demand then shifts to products and services, now costing less, where foreign labor is the beneficiary, you have really shot yourself in the foot.

    "Whoo-Hooo" eh liberals ? Been a while since I have seen such long-winded dumbassery as in this thread.

    <Productivity growth in the United States has rebounded sharply over the past decade, after the disappointingly sluggish growth in the prior two decades.>


    Productivity Growth and Employment
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Where was your concern over the last decade? When according to NBER productivity growth in the United States has rebounded sharply over the past decade. Hhmmm…what was the tax rate when it started its decade long climb?

    I am familiar with an operation such as yours .My son has a very successful Tool and Die shop. If you do any stampings to for BOEING Or GE, there’s a good chance you’re using one of his dies, or jig assemblies.

    Where is your concern for people that work for minimum wage that have seen their buying power shrink… for example, minimum wage was $1.60 per hour in 1968, which translates to about $10.50 in today’s bucks. Are these people just a number on your bottom line? Have you bothered to check out any of these plating shops that hires from manpower? If you do/did you had better be conversant in Spanish.
    Have yet to have any liberal here define the number of people on minimum wage, who they are, and how long they remain on minimum wage? Seems to me like you believe it is the government's responsibility to tell you what to pay your workers if you own your own business? What risk do they have in your business?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    I always love it when liberals us "inflation adjusted" or "he wasn't immaculated until Jan 2009". Intellectual dishonesty at it's best.

    The very fact the present occupier of the White House will be known for...."It's someone else's fault" reveals all you need to know about lack of character.
    Any more opinions you would like to add?
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have yet to have any liberal here define the number of people on minimum wage, who they are, and how long they remain on minimum wage?
    Its here con. all you have to do is read the last five pages.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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