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    Re: SOTU Address:

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    The problem with them is that they're conservatives but have no idea why? It has no basis to it. They just "believe" in it. You can't open the mind of a religious fanatic and you can't open the mind of an ideologue.
    You also can't open the mind of a person who is fanatical about an ideology. You might not be "religious", you are definitely a fanatic. Not much better.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I just found this article from theHill.com, "Experts debate the benefits of a proposed minimum wage hike," which piggy-backs on my post above concerning who generally hold down minimum wage jobs, "young/unskilled laborers".



    The article also made it clear that some employers would have to cut back either in new hires, raises, or employee benefits in order to meet the new mimimum wage standard, if authorized by Congress. However, the overall tenor of the article seems to suggest that the nation's economy overall would benefit for an increase in the mimimum wage.

    Just thought I'd share this article which speaks to both sides of the issue.

    There is no benefit to the federal minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are meant for young teenagers... not for adults. Raising the minimum wage has shifted this, leaving the youth out of jobs because now they are competing with people who think the small sum is worth something to their families.

    Seriously, what has the government done right. I challenge you to come up with an example.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyRux View Post
    There is no benefit to the federal minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are meant for young teenagers... not for adults.
    [emphasis added by bubba]
    let's look at this sentence, not because it is correct; it isn't. teens are not subject to minimum wage provisions for the first 90 days of their employment. but i want to contrast this statement that minimum wage, like trix, is for kids with your following statement:
    Raising the minimum wage has shifted this, leaving the youth out of jobs because now they are competing with people who think the small sum is worth something to their families.
    notice how you here recognize that other than teens are accepting jobs despite that those jobs pay only the minimum wage

    Seriously, what has the government done right. I challenge you to come up with an example.
    establishing a minimum wage for one. during good times, few would settle for minimum wage because employers could not find enough qualified workers for the jobs they needed filled. minimum wage in that environment was of nominal purpose. but notice your own argument tells us now that adults are now willing to accept minimum wage positions to feed their families. and if that minimum wage floor was not so established those employees would have no alternative but to accept lower wages
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyRux View Post
    There is no benefit to the federal minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are meant for young teenagers... not for adults. Raising the minimum wage has shifted this, leaving the youth out of jobs because now they are competing with people who think the small sum is worth something to their families.

    Seriously, what has the government done right. I challenge you to come up with an example.

    For a start it(raising the minimum wage) would inject almost $10 billion of extra spending power into our economy.Oh...bytheway.Half of all minimum wage earners are over the age of 25.Just sayen.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    No. They haven't always bankrupted the United
    States because we always paid for them. That's why nobody ever went to war and cut taxes. You raise taxes when you go to War. Everyone that ever took their country to war knows that. That's how you pay for it. It's not something that is expected within a budget. All of the talk by wingnuts that spending doesn't work when you're in a recession or depression love to cite the New Deal, while failing to note that the spending in WWII was far greater than anything we'd done before. Unemployment went from 14% in 1940 to 1.9% by 1943. We came out of the war the strongest economy in the world. Hardly bankrupting the country. Spending money worked. You just don't need a war to do it.



    Yes you can, and the Bush Admin did exactly that. It doesn't matter who voted for it. They voted to go to war. They didn't vote for creative accounting for that war. That was the Admin that did that.



    That's because your idea of failure don't demonstrate failure. Failure can only be determined after something has been fully implemented and it takes years to assess whether something worked or didn't. In words that you can understand, the jury is still out. When his work is complete, then you can have your say. Most of the country disagrees with your views now. He was elected with over 50% for only the second time since Eisenhower. Apparently the majority of the electorate sees things differently. I criticized Bush heavily when he was in office and could not understand how anybody could vote for him twice. But they did. Now we can see what the results were. Total FAILURE! What you're doing is criticizing the deficit today without acknowledging the size of the deficit when Obama came in. SURPRISE!!! It's bigger than you thought, and you want to lay that all on him?? I dont' think so.
    Your saying Obama's massive unprecedented spending is the fault of Bush's Wars ? And the fact that 8 and a half million people have dropped out of the work force are due to Bush's wars...that Democrats voted for ? And the 800 billion Stimulus that was spent on public sector jobs and bankrupt green energy companies was because of the Wars ? ...that Democrats voted on ? And the fact Obama lied about "infrastructure" and "shovel ready jobs" was about Bush's two wars ?

    And yes "most of the electorate are full on morons '', at least 60 million of them, for believing the likes of Obama and his useful idiots. Sorry, he's been running a trillion dollar defecits, spent over 900 billion last quarter alone and our economy shrunk. Must have been " the two wars ".

    He's been in office long enough for SANE people to know this is his disaster and no one elses.

    I mean I wondered what the Liberals were going to do as far as explaining his failure after he was first elected. Because I knew his ideology was going to create misery. I mean you people elected a guy because the media told you to. How embarrasing.

    I never figured you would after 4 years of failure and 50 million new food stamp recipients, an exploding debt and deficits, no net new jobs, record amounts of people applying for SS disabillity benefits, States still slipping further into the red because there are no jobs...blame BUSH.

    I thought as morally and ethically bankrupt as you liberals are, that your willing to sell your integrity for a vote in a heart beat, that you would still possess some measure of pride. But no, it appears youv'e compromised that too.

    What did you get for it ? A lottery ticket ? Bet you lost.

    Look its not my fault or Bush's you were born to limited to handle the basic cognitive principle of arithmetic...I bet you can "cipher" though...LOL ! Jethro Clampet

    You say it takes years to assess Obama's "implemented" policies ? LOL !!! What a pathetic attempt at mitigation. It's been years, theyv'e failed and miserably.

    I mean what a desperate , arbitrary thing to say. How many years ? 30 ?

    Because I wish Captain Dip**** had let us in on that important bit of information. "It will take years for my policies to pan out until they can be called failures or successes ".

    People need jobs YESTERDAY Jethro. Actually I think the effect of his policies have pretty much panned out.

    Hi unemployment, desperate American families struggling for the foreseeable future, the Country on the verge of bankruptcy, the Fed monetizing our debt ( I know over your head ) Europe struggling and Countries like Germany reporting shrinking economies too. Desperate Democrats wasting bandwidth trying to salvage any measure of self respect they can, by blaming Bush...lol

    As it turns out I could have told you Feb 1st 2008 this is what was going to happen.

    I can hardly wait to hear your next set of excuses. They get more. and more comical and make less and less sense.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post

    Jennings pointed to how the omission of war costs from the annual budget has distorted thinking on the federal deficit in past years.
    Obama To Put Cost of War on the Books, for the First Time in Eight Years
    Posted by ralphon February 27, 2009

    Christi Parsons and Maura Reynolds, LA Times:

    After eight years of budget practices that often camouflaged federal spending, President Obama is planning a new strategy of putting on the books as many costs as possible to demonstrate the extent of the nationís economic troubles, senior White House officials say.

    Obamaís first budget, scheduled to be released in broad outline Thursday, will include at the outset money for the Iraq war, the military buildup in Afghanistan and other expenditures. The approach is in contrast to that of the previous administration, which often tucked such costly commitments into separate spending requests that would go to Congress later.

    When you examine the deficit, it might be a good idea to look at the money that was spent on the wars as a huge part of it. Just taking it off the books may make you feel better, but it's still there.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    For a start it(raising the minimum wage) would inject almost $10 billion of
    extra spending power into our economy.Oh...bytheway.Half of all minimum wage earners are over the age of 25.Just sayen.
    For a start ? And then what, as already taxed and burdrned small bussiness struggle to try and make up for the mandated raises ? Or are you saying it would benefit them as well ?

    They can pay higher prices on office supplies, higher unemployment insurance, pay a higher rate of withholding on every employee who recieves the raise.

    I mean it sounds capricious abd counter productive.

    How did you quantify the "10 billion dollar injection " ?
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    For a start it(raising the minimum wage) would inject almost $10 billion of extra spending power into our economy.Oh...bytheway.Half of all minimum wage earners are over the age of 25.Just sayen.
    That's nonsense, I suppose if min wage wasn't raised the employers would take that money and hide it under their mattress. You're taking money out of one pocket and putting it in another pocket and claiming to have more money. And keep in mind the GEs & Microsofts of the world don't employ min wage employees, it's the little guys that get to deal with the aftermath. I have no doubt that a year after min wage is raised we'll be listening to the left complain about how there are fewer jobs for low skilled workers. A min wage increase will increase the employers labor costs, maybe if we put some new taxes and costly regulations on them as well we might see more hiring.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    For a start it(raising the minimum wage) would inject almost $10 billion of extra spending power into our economy.Oh...bytheway.Half of all minimum wage earners are over the age of 25.Just sayen.
    Why wait for this $1.75/hr 'raise' to flush through the economy? Why not just pay the 3.5m minimum wage earners a $2500 government check? It would be much quicker and have little effect on cost of goods...Heck we just spent 9X that on hurricane Sandy...WAY cheaper 'stimulus' than last time.
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Youre new here, so you may not know this.


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