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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    We need government to set a minimum wage so people like you don't exploit the workers. Pay a man a living wage, or you aren't worth being in business in the first place.

    This has to be a joke or a game for you that I am no longer going to play. You have been provided with data and actual facts which you choose to ignore. You have yet to answer any direct question but instead divert, distort, and make wild claims like this one.

    Not sure what it is about people like you who have no problem making a fool out of yourself. A true Obama supporter is very naive, gullible, and poorly informed. Results don't matter nor does a true understanding of history, economics, and civics. It is always someone else's fault for personal failures and liberals have all the answers but never the solutions to real problems.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    We need government to set a minimum wage so people like you don't exploit the
    workers. Pay a man a
    living wage, or you aren't worth being in business in the first place.
    It's your Presidents policies that have exploited more than 8 million workers by removing them from the work force permanently.

    So more false concern from another liberal who's closes his ears and eyes to the growing misery of the middle class and....blames the Republicans.

    Obama had 2 years to impliment exactly what was priority to him and it was a Disasterous stupid health care law that raised the price of premiums and borrowed close to a trillion dollars to pump into local and state public sector Unions and bankrupt green energy companies.

    Yea lets keep teachers and their pensions paid, their students live off of foodstamps but the liberals "feel their pain".

    There is over 30 different jobs bills in the Senate right now from the House that wont get a vote for some reason.

    So much for your blame game.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Your inablity to write effectively is noted. Obviously I don't care what you "feel". I didn't come here to make you feel good. I'm here to stick a thumb in your eye. Is that brief enough for you?
    Well then, you have confused your head with your thumb, and your ass with my eye.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Good. Then maybe you'll avoid the "catchy phrase". We wouldn't want you to come off as a hypocrite would we?
    Heavens no. I wouldn't want to be associated with group that uses catchy phrases like "War on Women", "Hope and Change", "Change you can believe in," Investing in the future," or anything like that. I'm certain you avoid such hypocritical chutzpa too.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Right that's it. It's all a great plot. Why don't you quit the cynical garbage, and think about it from the perspective of the wage earner for a change? We're seeing the greatest increase in corporate profits ever, and you're concerned about Wal-Mart paying $9/hr? That would take 700,000 Wal-Mart employees out of poverty and those people would have more money to spend back into the economy. 700,000. And that's just WalMart.
    That will only cost Walmart $26,000,000 per year so they would never raise prices or cut employee hours. Going from $15K/year to $18.7/year does not take one out of poverty, but it surely does make one starting out "earn" more than many that have been working for much longer. Those folks will just love that "fairness". The median income in the US is now about $24K (for HS graduates, age 25 and older), so instead of starting at 60% of that pay they would then start at 77% of their final pay. Perhaps it is best to let people work their way up rather than mandate that a starting wage be worth as much or more than the wage you can earn after 5 to 7 years.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Its a job killer put forth by a job killer.

    Raising minimum wage with ObamaCare kicking in.

    Its like Obama's purposely going after the middle class.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Minimum wage increasingly lags poverty line
    The recently released 2007 federal poverty guideline highlights the severe and growing inadequacy of the minimum wage. Currently, a full-time minimum wage worker (40 hours/week, 52 weeks/year) would earn $10,712 a year, falling nearly 40% below the $17,170 poverty level for a family of three. Even after factoring in the earned income tax credit, which was designed to bring low-wage workers up to the poverty line, this worker would still fall short of the poverty line.
    Oh Jesus...indeed…that is a false statement…your reference was from 2007, 5 years ago, when the MW was 5.85 so yes her arithmetic is correct THEN but not now. Currently as you so accurately stated ‘Poverty is considered around $14,000’ AND if one uses her assumptions (40 hours/week, 52 weeks/year) a MW earner WOULD earn above the poverty line…as I posted earlier…Considering this simple arithmetic explain how the ‘Minimum wage increasingly lags poverty line’.

    Oh Jesus. We don't move the poverty line based on the minimum wage you moron.
    Personal attacks do not benefit your argument…
    The minimum wage is below that line right now. Where do you people come from??? The minimum wage is at its lowest real value in over 50 years and has not been raised since 1997. This is the longest stretch of federal inaction since the minimum wage was first instated in 1938. As the basic income required to support a family has grown with inflation,2 the minimum wage has not kept pace with the rising costs of goods. As a result, federal inaction leaves minimum wage workers in an increasingly dire situation. It is widely recognized that the poverty line substantially understates the income needed to support a family. The government's definition of poverty is based on total income received. For example, the poverty level for 2012 was set at $23,050 (total yearly income) for a family of four.[7] Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.
    These too are a false statements; ‘not raised since 1997’ as it was raised in 2007, ’08, ’09.

    ‘the minimum wage has not kept pace with the rising costs of goods ‘, as provided previously the current MW is above the inflation adjusted amount and has been since 1990.

    Again show how ‘minimum wage is below that line right now’…It would go something like this 7.35 x 40 x 52 = 15,288. If two earners 15,288 x 2=30,576 well above the $23,050 you presented above…

    I presume that since your above response includes ‘[7]’ it is taken from another source and based on your assertions I suspect is outdated. Can you provide the link so the excerpt you present can be reviewed in context?,,,thx
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    No. You could call it postponed.There were a few other things on his agenda, like the economic crises, the auto industry, ending a war and dealing with a hostile congress. There is a time for everything, and not everything got done in the first term. That's why he wanted a second. To finish what he started. Why do you find that unusual?
    You're kidding right, excuses ...'hostile congress'? The DEMOCRATS had the majority (often supermajority in the Senate) for the President's first two years...considering this how hard would it be to raise the minimum wage? I mean it is not new legislation but merely a number change...

    As to 'postponed' that's not what Politifact calls it...they state it is a promise broken but of course an apologist can call it whatever they want. As to why I find that unusual...because I know NOW with the 'hostile congress' it will not happen.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You're kidding right, excuses ...'hostile congress'? The DEMOCRATS had the majority (often supermajority in the Senate) for the President's first two years...considering this how hard would it be to raise the minimum wage? I mean it is not new legislation but merely a number change...

    As to 'postponed' that's not what Politifact calls it...they state it is a promise broken but of course an apologist can call it whatever they want. As to why I find that unusual...because I know NOW with the 'hostile congress' it will not happen.
    Exactly and we all know that no other President in history had a "hostile" Congress to deal with. The problem today is we have a President who lacks leadership skills and the ability to overcome his leftwing philosophy/ideology in order to lead a Center right nation. His "my way or the highway" attitude and leadership style is contrary to any positive leadership technique taught in even the most leftwing schools. Far too many lack an understanding of leadership, the responsibilities of leadership, and the fact that you cannot delegate that responsibility ever.

    What the Obama cult is going to do is divert from his record, ignore his failures or blame everyone else for his failures, and ignore basic civics and history.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Heavens no. I wouldn't want to be associated with group that uses catchy phrases like "War on Women", "Hope and Change", "Change you can believe in," Investing in the future," or anything like that. I'm certain you avoid such hypocritical chutzpa too.
    LOL You forgot the best one..... "fair share".

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