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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

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    Oh good lord that is ****ing hilarious. Cutting the deficit is irrelevant![/
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    It was one of Clintons big "victories".
    ( Thanks to a Republican House )

    I mean I hear Libs bring it up at least once a day. Now its irrelevent ?
    No. It was irrelevent under Bush/Cheney

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

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    No. It was irrelevent under Bush/Cheney

    Obama wouldn't look so bad with the Bush deficits but instead put Bush spending on steroids.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    The Cato Institute? It's a libertarian organization. I already know
    about libertarianism. In listening to them I found several things to criticize. As for lies and Bush, I offer you this:

    the moral authority of the libs to criticize any Bush "lie" has been seriously diminished by the election of Obama.

    the intelectual authority....lol....of the libs to criticize the intelligence of Bush has been greatly diminished by the election of Obama.

    You guys have no leg to stand on.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yes, its irrelevent . You demagoging the issue using the blood of dead children not withstanding.

    Your easily amused, I simply wish the least knowledgable didn't have control over our Countries destination.

    He mentioned gun control and you defended him using the blood of innocent children.."classy.."..because he couldn't mention his "accomplishments"..

    He has none.

    Oh and Clinton lowered cqpital gains tax's. I wasn't impressed by Obamas lies and if the libs agree that a higher minumum wage is the right thing to do, then by your record of failure alone, I'll have to disagree.
    Demogoguing??? Did you not see the number of people in the gallery at the SOTU that have had family members the victims of gun violence? Do you think that they don't want to see something done about this?? Are you really that cold to call their loss demogoging? Tell that to them. To their face. Go ahead.

    Your easily amused, I simply wish the least knowledgable didn't have control over our Countries destination.
    They don't. The Bush years are over and the Republicans are losing badly. They are having their own civil war. They don't know who they are. Why would we want a bunch of irrational ideologues in charge of the country?? We've all seen what happens when you have control of the government. The results came in.

    He mentioned gun control and you defended him using the blood of innocent children.."classy.."..because he couldn't mention his "accomplishments"..
    No. I defend the parents of 20 six year olds. That's the difference between you and me. You defend the NRA. Do you also defend their Enemies List?? And the blood drenched psycho that runs it? They couldn't even defend that. They took it off their website. If they weren't ashamed of it, why take it down??

    He has none.
    Well he didn't crash our economy. He didn't launch a war on a lie. He didn't let bin Laden get away with murder. He didn't let the auto industry disappear. In fact, he turned the economy around, he ended one war, and is ending another. He got bin Laden, and our auto industry leads the world. The Dow is at 14,000.

    I wasn't impressed by Obamas lies
    Were you impressed with these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    No it doesn't. But you've been indoctrinated into the ideology and become a believer in the dogma. Conservatism stomps on the individual. It's a practice of social Darwinism. A social free-for-all. Nothing more. Situationally, conservatism is defined as the ideology arising out of a distinct but recurring type of historical situation in which a fundamental challenge is directed at established institutions and in which the supporters of those institutions employ the conservative ideology in their defense. Thus, conservatism is that system of ideas employed to justify any established social order, no matter where or when it exists, against any fundamental challenge to its nature or being, no matter from what quarter. Conservatism in this sense is possible in the United States today only if there is a basic challenge to existing American institutions which impels their defenders to articulate conservative values. In short, you're stuck in your own ideology. The Civil Rights Movement is a prime example. You think you offer freedom??

    Conservatism is like living as a sheep lives in a fenced corral. It's very safe....at least until the rancher decides he wants some lamb chops for dinner. Outside the fence of the corral is freedom. But it's also a scary place where anything can happen. So you forsake the freedom for the safety of the corral. Freedom takes a bit more guts I guess. So the sheep justify their existence in the corral as
    being orderly and safe and the right way to live. They claim that they are the ones that are all about freedom which they loudly proclaim from within the corral surrounded by the fence. It's the conservative approach. They must maintain the existing institution of the corral. They may talk about Freedom, but what they are really concerned with is safety. They are very timid. They may act tough on the outside, but they lack the guts necessary to pursue freedom.

    The liberal is probably the "black sheep". He sees freedom beyond the fence. Beyond the dogma of the corral. It could cost him his life. Or it could present a whole new world. But he thinks it beats waiting around to die in a place that never tries anything new. How can he realize his potential from within a prison of dogma? The sheep in the corral call him a misfit, a socialist, a Libtard, and a lot of other things. But bathing in stupid is no way to go. He doesn't believe in the morality of the flock of sheep. He sees them as hypocritical to claim a love for freedom while living inside the fence in a corral. What do they know of freedom? What is the authority that they speak from? What justifies their claim that they are free? Well it's always been this way. It's the tradition. But that doesn't justify remaining inside the corral. The appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy and the black sheep knows that. The black sheep is only interested in the truth, and he'll never get it from within the dogma of the corral. The truth extends beyond the dogma of the fenced corral. And the Truth will set him free.

    As a liberal ...I live outside the corral. And I love it. I decide on matters of truth every day. It isn't decided for me through any dogma. I actually have to think for myself. No prescribed doctrine to follow. It's called freedom.
    This is rubbish, top to bottom. Liberals don't believe in freedom of choice. Freedom of opportunity. They abhor the accountability inherent with real freedom. Quite the contrary, they want mandated results, using the confiscatory power of government, to take the fruits of the labor of one, and redistribute to another. That ain't freedom liberals. That's theft.

    The guy who I quoted in my sig line knew a bit about that.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Demogoguing??? Did you not see the number of people in the gallery at the SOTU that have had family members the victims of gun violence? Do you think that they don't want to see something done about this?? Are you really that cold to call their loss demogoging? Tell that to them. To their face. Go ahead.



    They don't. The Bush years are over and the Republicans are losing badly. They are having their own civil war. They don't know who they are. Why would we want a bunch of irrational ideologues in charge of the country?? We've all seen what happens when you have control of the government. The results came in.



    No. I defend the parents of 20 six year olds. That's the difference between you and me. You defend the NRA. Do you also defend their Enemies List?? And the blood drenched psycho that runs it? They couldn't even defend that. They took it off their website. If they weren't ashamed of it, why take it down??



    Well he didn't crash our economy. He didn't launch a war on a lie. He didn't let bin Laden get away with murder. He didn't let the auto industry disappear. In fact, he turned the economy around, he ended one war, and is ending another. He got bin Laden, and our auto industry leads the world. The Dow is at 14,000.



    Were you impressed with these?

    Did you read the 9/11 Butler report regarding what you called a lie? didn't think so because you only believe leftwing lies and distortions. I am sure that is going to help you in the future when the leftwing leaves you and goes after someone else too young to think for themselves. What Bush stated was substantiated by the Butler Report. Suggest you read it.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Catawba, I wish I could understand people like you but never will. The govt. doesn't create a middle class, the economy, market, and personal responsibility will establish the middle class. Doesn't appear that you understand how the economy works. Apparently you were hurt somehow by the U.S. economy but bet if you were honest that failure was your own responsibility. Trickle down has always and will always work, Govt attempts to trickle up never will.

    Liberal policies seem to support the govt. taking money from those evil rich people who are paying most of the taxes now and distributing how they see fit. name for me a successful social program that cost what it was supposed to, did what it was supposed to and actually solved a problem? I won't hold my breath waiting.

    If you knew more of our nation's history you would understand people like me better, but you never will. Without government intervention we would still be operating under the robber baron and serf system.

    The working class has experienced trickle down/deregulation and found that they sucked. I don't think you will convince them to be suckers for it again anytime soon.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Keep blaming Bush four years after he left office while ignoring everything that I have posted. typical liberal diversion. Obama and liberalism is a failure but reality is something you will never understand. Your dream world is a failure.
    Did you or did you not bring up lies and Bush?? Lets see: "I doubt seriously that you would have allowed Bush to get away with this BS"

    Obama and liberalism is a failure but reality is something you will never understand. Your dream world is a failure
    Here's why you're wrong. You're judging Obama before he's finished. He just started his second term. Your premature judgment shows that it's nothing but partisan BS. You can say Obama is a failure, and liberalism is a failure, all you want but that doesn't make it a failure. You judge something AFTER it's done. NOT before it's done. If Obama lowered unemployment to 2% you'd still deny his success and you know it. You're a partisan hack, and that's it. Why don't you face it, and admit that just hate the guy. At least you'd be honest about it. I could criticize Bush during his term, and with good reason, but ultimately he'll be judged by history. How did he leave the country for the next guy. Bush left a wreck. I don't think that's going to happen with Obama. Time will tell.

    I understand reality far better than you could imagine. I don't subscribe to any ideology as you do. Ideologies cannot demonstrate why they're true. They're baseless. You don't understand that REALITY. Until you do, you're in no position to question me. If something isn't working, I'm willing to change it. You aren't. You'll jam it like a square peg in a round hole to hold to the ideology. That's not reality. You don't force reality to fit your ideology. You adapt the philosophy to meet reality.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you knew more of our nation's history you would understand people like me better, but you never will. Without government intervention we would still be operating under the robber baron and serf system.

    The working class has experienced trickle down/deregulation and found that they sucked. I don't think you will convince them to be suckers for it again anytime soon.
    Let me know the last time our govt. spent over 3.5 trillion dollars which apparently is the kind of intervention you support. You really believe giving more money to the govt. is going to help people get to the middle class? You really are very naive. The working class has become dependent under this Administration so apparently that is ok with you. How much are you dependent on the taxpayers who fund the govt?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    the moral authority of the libs to criticize any Bush "lie" has been seriously diminished by the election of Obama.

    the intelectual authority....lol....of the libs to criticize the intelligence of Bush has been greatly diminished by the election of Obama.

    You guys have no leg to stand on.

    the moral authority of the libs to criticize any Bush "lie" has been seriously diminished by the election of Obama.
    Really? Bush's lies sent 5000 Americans to their death. And you want to talk about moral authority?? So the election of Obama is somehow worse than lying the country into a war that cost American lives?? You have a pathetic sense of morality. Your hatred for Obama is so great that it's worth sending American troops to die rather than have Obama as president?? You actually hate him more than you love the troops??

    the intelectual authority....lol....of the libs to criticize the intelligence of Bush has been greatly diminished by the election of Obama.
    Now your just tossing sour grapes. You lost. You're views are out of touch with the country. It's not a White Mans country anymore. Get used to it. AS for having a leg to stand on...hehe. We have the White House. You don't. Suck on that for the next four years.
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