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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about a novel concept of putting economic policies in place to grow the economy to create jobs?
    That is what we are doing, polices necessary to build a strong middle class which creates the demand necessary for production.

    We have the Bush Administration to show us that the trickle down/deregulation approach was a failure.

    The GOP's only plan is more of the same cut taxes for the wealthy, and well paying jobs will trickle down. The people are painfully aware that approach does not work.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    This is the largest, deepest, pile of excrement that I have seen here in a long time. Conservatism empowers the individual, while disempowering government. Liberalism empowers government, restricting the freedom of the individual. Your post could not be more topsy-turvy bass-ackward.
    No it doesn't. But you've been indoctrinated into the ideology and become a believer in the dogma. Conservatism stomps on the individual. It's a practice of social Darwinism. A social free-for-all. Nothing more. Situationally, conservatism is defined as the ideology arising out of a distinct but recurring type of historical situation in which a fundamental challenge is directed at established institutions and in which the supporters of those institutions employ the conservative ideology in their defense. Thus, conservatism is that system of ideas employed to justify any established social order, no matter where or when it exists, against any fundamental challenge to its nature or being, no matter from what quarter. Conservatism in this sense is possible in the United States today only if there is a basic challenge to existing American institutions which impels their defenders to articulate conservative values. In short, you're stuck in your own ideology. The Civil Rights Movement is a prime example. You think you offer freedom??

    Conservatism is like living as a sheep lives in a fenced corral. It's very safe....at least until the rancher decides he wants some lamb chops for dinner. Outside the fence of the corral is freedom. But it's also a scary place where anything can happen. So you forsake the freedom for the safety of the corral. Freedom takes a bit more guts I guess. So the sheep justify their existence in the corral as
    being orderly and safe and the right way to live. They claim that they are the ones that are all about freedom which they loudly proclaim from within the corral surrounded by the fence. It's the conservative approach. They must maintain the existing institution of the corral. They may talk about Freedom, but what they are really concerned with is safety. They are very timid. They may act tough on the outside, but they lack the guts necessary to pursue freedom.

    The liberal is probably the "black sheep". He sees freedom beyond the fence. Beyond the dogma of the corral. It could cost him his life. Or it could present a whole new world. But he thinks it beats waiting around to die in a place that never tries anything new. How can he realize his potential from within a prison of dogma? The sheep in the corral call him a misfit, a socialist, a Libtard, and a lot of other things. But bathing in stupid is no way to go. He doesn't believe in the morality of the flock of sheep. He sees them as hypocritical to claim a love for freedom while living inside the fence in a corral. What do they know of freedom? What is the authority that they speak from? What justifies their claim that they are free? Well it's always been this way. It's the tradition. But that doesn't justify remaining inside the corral. The appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy and the black sheep knows that. The black sheep is only interested in the truth, and he'll never get it from within the dogma of the corral. The truth extends beyond the dogma of the fenced corral. And the Truth will set him free.

    As a liberal ...I live outside the corral. And I love it. I decide on matters of truth every day. It isn't decided for me through any dogma. I actually have to think for myself. No prescribed doctrine to follow. It's called freedom.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Well delivered ? It was absolute nonsense. Blame and irrelevent topics.

    Gun control ? Climate change ?

    Its clear by the poll that 91% of the people they polled were full blown morons.

    With chronic joblessness, 8,500,000 people missing from the work force, massive structural debt put in place by Obama, not Bush, massive Central Bank Injections, massive defecit spending, record rises in dependence, food stamps, disabillity claims, a shrinking economy with increased spending, a ObamaCare law weighing down the private sector, he chose to talk about gun control.

    I hope he gets 9 bucks an hour implemented because he knows what the end result of that stupid policy will be.

    More dependence, more democrats but a hastened collapse.

    Thanks for expressing your view as one of the 9% that disapproved of the SOTU.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Who did he blame and when? And you think
    that Gun control Climate change are irrelevent topics?? Ask the people in Newtown if Gun control is an irrelevent topic. The majority of the public disagrees with you. A CBS poll found that a majority of Americans 54 percent think gun control laws should be tightened, up markedly from a CBS News poll last April that found that only 39 percent backed stricter laws. That makes it relevent. As for climate change, the beauty of science is that its right whether you believe it nor not. Conservatives are always in denial. They deny the Presidents citizenship, they deny climate change, they deny any possibility that they could possibly be wrong about anything. I assume that you agree that you're a fallible human being. That means you could be wrong about things. Is it possible for an infallible human to create an Infallible ideology? The difference between the conservative and the liberal is that the conservative Knows he's right. The Liberal knows he could be wrong. Which one do you think is closer to the truth?



    No. But it is clear that you hate Obama. So you call those that disagree with you names and that makes you feel better, even though it makes you look like a child. 91% of the people approved of it. That means that it wasn't just Democrats. Maybe they know something that you don't. Ever think of that?



    No. That was only one of the things he talked about and it came at the end of his speech. He talked about the country in positive terms of where we can go as a country. A positive agenda for moving the country forward, not backward. You offer nothing. Rubio offered nothing, except water. Rand Paul offered nothing other than snarky comments about Kings and dictators.



    If he does, 700,000 people at Wal-Mart will be lifted out of poverty and Wal-Mart won't feel it at all. Costco pays their people $11/hour and they keep their people. But then, they know that treating their employees well is good business.



    More greed from the GunsOverPeople crowd. More rational government from the Dems. BTW the minimum wage was raised during the Clinton admin despite opposition from Repubs. 20Million jobs were created.
    Yes, its irrelevent . You demagoging the issue using the blood of dead children not withstanding.

    Your easily amused, I simply wish the least knowledgable didn't have control over our Countries destination.

    He mentioned gun control and you defended him using the blood of innocent children.."classy.."..because he couldn't mention his "accomplishments"..

    He has none.

    Oh and Clinton lowered cqpital gains tax's. I wasn't impressed by Obamas lies and if the libs agree that a higher minumum wage is the right thing to do, then by your record of failure alone, I'll have to disagree.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    That's alot of words to avoid answering a simple question. Would you care to answer it, or do you intend to just keep the flow of words coming?

    Attempting to question my intelligence, or questioning my ability to reason really is rather juvenile, don't you think?
    I try to give a detailed response to a question. Don't you think your question deserves that? What part of what I said don't you understand. It's really pretty simple. You can't make a universal statement that All liberal societies have failed and cite one example and think that it proves your claim as true. Especially when I or somebody else points to several examples to the contrary. Your claim is a generality. It proves nothing. Get it now? If you think that my answer insults your intelligence I'm sorry, but I've found on forum after forum that conservatives seem to think in absolutes. I think instead of looking for things that support your theory, you'd be better off looking for the things that refute it. All it takes is one example to refute a claim to falsify it. It brings us closer to the truth. That is, if truth matters to you?
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    I try to give a detailed response to a question. Don't you think your question deserves that? What part of what I said don't you understand. It's really pretty simple. You can't make a universal statement that All liberal societies have failed and cite one example and think that it proves your claim as true. Especially when I or somebody else points to several examples to the contrary. Your claim is a generality. It proves nothing. Get it now? If you think that my answer insults your intelligence I'm sorry, but I've found on forum after forum that conservatives seem to think in absolutes. I think instead of looking for things that support your theory, you'd be better off looking for the things that refute it. All it takes is one example to refute a claim to falsify it. It brings us closer to the truth. That is, if truth matters to you?
    I think the question could be answered, or ignored.

    The rest is fluff.

    The fact is, you made a claim about failure, and I asked for an explanation for the economic results in California, where no Republican legislation or action has taken place in over 14 years.

    You have chosen to ignore the question.

    So be it. I'll accept you have none to offer.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since this thread is about the SOU speech and Obama performance, here is something you and other supporters will ignore completely just like all the other Obama lies. I doubt seriously that you would have allowed Bush to get away with this BS

    State of the Union 2013 - YouTube
    The Cato Institute? It's a libertarian organization. I already know about libertarianism. In listening to them I found several things to criticize. As for lies and Bush, I offer you this:

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    are you serious?...
    Of course. Are you?
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is what we are doing, polices necessary to build a strong middle class which creates the demand necessary for production.

    We have the Bush Administration to show us that the trickle down/deregulation approach was a failure.

    The GOP's only plan is more of the same cut taxes for the wealthy, and well paying jobs will trickle down. The people are painfully aware that approach does not work.
    Catawba, I wish I could understand people like you but never will. The govt. doesn't create a middle class, the economy, market, and personal responsibility will establish the middle class. Doesn't appear that you understand how the economy works. Apparently you were hurt somehow by the U.S. economy but bet if you were honest that failure was your own responsibility. Trickle down has always and will always work, Govt attempts to trickle up never will.

    Liberal policies seem to support the govt. taking money from those evil rich people who are paying most of the taxes now and distributing how they see fit. name for me a successful social program that cost what it was supposed to, did what it was supposed to and actually solved a problem? I won't hold my breath waiting.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    The Cato Institute? It's a libertarian organization. I already know about libertarianism. In listening to them I found several things to criticize. As for lies and Bush, I offer you this:

    Keep blaming Bush four years after he left office while ignoring everything that I have posted. typical liberal diversion. Obama and liberalism is a failure but reality is something you will never understand. Your dream world is a failure.

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