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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The goal of 4 trillion over 10 years, which is 400 billion a year on average, would make a significant cut. Even the >2 trillion we are at would make a difference. Sorry, but cutting the deficit is not irrelevant.
    Then you shouldn't have any problem showing where that 400 billion a year is going to come from by listing the actual cuts? Has Obama proposed any actual spending cuts or are we still going to increase spending hopefully to be paid for by tax increases? You don't think tax increases impact human behavior thus spending? How does cuts in spending affect govt. revenue? Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate? He keeps spewing the rhetoric and supporters continue to buy that rhetoric

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Maybe it's just that you aren't smart enough to understand anything. The latest election results actually bear that out. You're completely out of step. You're trying to move backward when the rest of us are moving forward. I'm sure the term "liberish" was coined by a conservatoid, so we shouldn't tax our brain with a "catchy phrase" now should we?
    Nope. And no, I certainly wouldn't want you to tax your brain. Why start something like that now?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    who said a $9 minimum wage would take those earners out of poverty
    you are attempting to conflate the minimum wage with a living wage ... other than being defined in monetary terms, they are quite different
    Answer the question that has been posed, how many workers are making minimum wage, who are they, how long do they make minimum wage? When will liberals get out of the way and let private industry work? Liberals like you ought to start your own businesses and pay that "liveable wage" you are calling for.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Answer the question that has been posed, how many workers are making minimum wage, who are they, how long do they make minimum wage? When will liberals get out of the way and let private industry work? Liberals like you ought to start your own businesses and pay that "liveable wage" you are calling for.
    i have. many, actually
    and i do. it's good business to hire the smartest employees you can afford
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then you shouldn't have any problem showing where that 400 billion a year is going to come from by listing the actual cuts? Has Obama proposed any actual spending cuts or are we still going to increase spending hopefully to be paid for by tax increases? You don't think tax increases impact human behavior thus spending? How does cuts in spending affect govt. revenue? Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate? He keeps spewing the rhetoric and supporters continue to buy that rhetoric
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Taxes .13 per gallon? Where in the hell do you live. There are Federal Excise taxes, state excise taxes, and in many states local and maybe even sales taxes on gasoline. I suggest better research on your part. Product costs are also not profits to oil companies who have to pay for most of the product they sell and then pay for finding the product, getting the producand t out of the ground, refining, and marketing. It does seem you have a problem understanding profit as well as risk taking. Not surprising.
    It seems you have a problem with the truth and believe you can just spout off without a credible source, I am not a tea bagger who believes any BS that is printed. The federal government does not have a thing to do with state and local taxes does it. If you have a problem with my source address it. You have no idea of what my business background is.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    who said a $9 minimum wage would take those earners out of poverty...
    Adagio did...:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Why would you oppose a $9 minimum wage? Do you want to keep people living in poverty? Most jobs pay more then the minimum amyway. This takes people barely over the poverty line.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by uhohhotdog View Post
    More sickening comments from conservatives. EVERYONE that works full time hours should have a basic living wage. It's called being human and having empathy.

    I can't believe how little people here care about others. It's all everyone for themselves. So disgusting. It makes me literally sick to my stomach that people actually think this way.
    That is simply nonsense. Should everyone attending class get a C grade? Like grades in school, pay at work is based on measuring individual output, not mere attendance. To assert that a burger flipper and a construction laborer work equally hard and produce as much is insane, therefore the pay rates differ, just as the job responsibilities do. Should a counter worker in the medical clinic make the same as a nurse or doctor? Life is not like the special olympics, you do not get a medal just for participation.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then you shouldn't have any problem showing where that 400 billion a year is going to come from by listing the actual cuts? Has Obama proposed any actual spending cuts or are we still going to increase spending hopefully to be paid for by tax increases? You don't think tax increases impact human behavior thus spending? How does cuts in spending affect govt. revenue? Name for me one economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate? He keeps spewing the rhetoric and supporters continue to buy that rhetoric
    you have to invest

    If as you state you ran a 1200 person business it is a miracle you stayed in business any experienced business owner knows you have to invest to promote growth, your party has done every thing it can to try to derail any thing that OUR president has proposed. If the democratic party had used the same tactics on Presidents Reagan and Bush our debt would not be any where near what it is. Your party created this mess and now know if President Obama can pull us out of it your party will become part of history, ancient history nothing more than a footnote in a history book.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do taxpayers pay debt service on the debt or the deficit. To take credit for a lower deficit than the previous year when that deficit is still over a trillion dollarsand the debt up to 16.5 trillion dollars and still showed debt service increases is typical liberalism that appeals to the poorly informed.

    You were the one who made the comment "during the Clinton years there was no surplus" which for most indicates no change in the current accounts. Most will admit that the national debt did increase but that the national deficit on annual budgets disappeared and that there was a 'surplus' in federal revenues. After all, that was the primary excuse for the 2001 Bush tax cuts - "the government is taking your money and doesn't need it"


    Raving about a steadily decreasing deficit and the growth in the national debt with incurred service increases, most of it due to policies supported and instituted by Republicans, while supporting economic beliefs that have been shown to be failures time and time again is typical 'conservatism' that appeals to the poorly informed.
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