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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by uhohhotdog View Post
    If companies could use slaves for work they would. Which is why they want wages as close to slave labor as possible.
    non sequitur…if labor could get $1,000/hour they would...I see now how fun this is...

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    That's true...now use the numbers (from an official site, btw):

    U.S. Department of Labor - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - Minimum Wage

    Run them from 1990 to current and point out where the current minimum wage is not higher than inflation adjusted ones...then get back to us.

    Why must I start from 1990? Did everything not exist before then?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by uhohhotdog View Post
    If companies could use slaves for work they would. Which is why they want wages as close to slave labor as possible.
    If anything, it's DEMOCRATS who are making that a reality......

    The more cheap labor (insert illegal immigrants), the lower the wage you need to pay.

    The FEWER the workers available, the MORE one has to pay to find workers.

    That's why workers at Wal Mart in some of the oil boom areas in America right now are starting at 12 an hour, entry level.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by uhohhotdog View Post
    Technically I was right because I said 1968 but as for 1970 yes. My point still stands that inflation has not kept up compared to either of those years.
    Indeed, yet that is a two edged sword. If Obama were to admit that inflation is higher then COLA adjustments for federal/military retirement and SS would cause the federal deficit to balloon out of control even more. The basic problem is that welfare (in all of its many forms) now pays more than a minimum wage, full time job. Shifting that cost to those employers that pay such wages will cause many to simply cut jobs (or work hours) netting a decrease (or at least no increase) in the use of that low wage labor. The answer is to cap welfare BELOW the lowest labor rate for a single full time worker - then work would actually pay more than welfare.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    non sequitur…if labor could get $1,000/hour they would...I see now how fun this is...

    thank you for this

    It's very relative. The point is that if wages do not rise while costs continue to rise, we continue to approach virtual slavery.

    Creating a living wage is nowhere near asking for $1,000/hr. It's asking for a right to live a basic living.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    The Third Reich. A conservatives wet dream.
    The NAZI's were Socialists, who believed in the power of the state over the rights and freedoms of the individual.....

    You know, like Liberals.

    Conservatives believe in the rights and freedoms of the individual over the power of an oppressive state.

    When you look in YOUR mirror, you're FAR closer to seeing one than I am when I look in mine......

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by uhohhotdog View Post
    Why must I start from 1990? Did everything not exist before then?
    No, because these minimum wage rates were more progressively adjusted in the 90's in an effort to maintain parity with inflation (of course monitary policy limiting inflation did have an effect also). This was done because as you accurately stated that prior to they were not...but now they are right in line if not a little ahead...check it out.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Indeed, yet that is a two edged sword. If Obama were to admit that inflation is higher then COLA adjustments for federal/military retirement and SS would cause the federal deficit to balloon out of control even more. The basic problem is that welfare (in all of its many forms) now pays more than a minimum wage, full time job. Shifting that cost to those employers that pay such wages will cause many to simply cut jobs (or work hours) netting a decrease (or at least no increase) in the use of that low wage labor. The answer is to cap welfare BELOW the lowest labor rate for a single full time worker - then work would actually pay more than welfare.
    yes, do that and then those who are without the means to pay for the essential services they require - thru no fault of their own - but which care is now covered by welfare, will be left to die
    another example of the vaunted compassionate conservatism
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Indeed, yet that is a two edged sword. If Obama were to admit that inflation is higher then COLA adjustments for federal/military retirement and SS would cause the federal deficit to balloon out of control even more. The basic problem is that welfare (in all of its many forms) now pays more than a minimum wage, full time job. Shifting that cost to those employers that pay such wages will cause many to simply cut jobs (or work hours) netting a decrease (or at least no increase) in the use of that low wage labor. The answer is to cap welfare BELOW the lowest labor rate for a single full time worker - then work would actually pay more than welfare.
    Yes, that is exactly the problem. But the conservative problem is that you believe the bad part of that is the government and not the horrible private wages. Minimum wage hikes throughout history have not caused any significant increase in unemployment. Prices will rise no doubt, but the wage increase will more than compensate for those adjusted prices.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How much tax do you pay on a gallon of gasoline? Any idea? You don't think the President energy policies affect gasoline prices or taxes don't affect gasoline prices? What risk does the govt. have to develop that gallon of gasoline?
    Explain it to me?

    HowStuffWorks "Gas Price Breakdown"

    Taxes: 13 cents
    Distribution and Marketing: 8 cents
    Refining: 14 cents
    Crude oil: 65 cents

    This is what the average breakdown looked like in April 2011. Let's look at those components in more detail.

    Crude oil - The biggest portion of the cost of gas goes to the crude-oil suppliers. This is determined by the world's oil-exporting nations, particularly the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which you will learn more about in the next section. The amount of crude oil these countries produce determines the price of a barrel of oil. Crude-oil prices averaged around $35 per barrel (1 barrel = 42 gallons or 158.99 L) in 2004. And, after Hurricane Katrina, some prices were almost double that. In April 2008, crude-oil prices averaged around $104.74 per barrel. During that month, the price of oil reached a record price of almost $120 a barrel [source: DOE]. By May 16, prices had topped $117 per barrel [source: MarketWatch]. On May 22, markets in New York and London reported prices past $135 per barreland, and on July 11, oil hit an all-time high of $147 [source: Forbes, New York Sun]. Analysts speculated that everything from investment in oil futures to increasing demand from countries like India and China contributed to the spike in price.

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