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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Nonsense. When you continually mandate wage above its level of earned productivity, you make it non-competitive for the employer, and you benefit those elsewhere with lower labor costs. That is not an opinion, it is a dynamic fact.

    The stupid is with the low-information Obamabots and liberals, who are blind to tomorrow.
    When you artificially keep wages flat despite the rise in inflation, you force more people into poverty thereby forcing more people to live off the very entitlement programs you rally against.

    You can't have it both ways. You either pay people a living wage or you tax those who can afford to pay more to pay for those social program the poor will flock towards in order to survive. Pick your poison...

    Higher salaries so that the employee can be self-sustaining or higher taxes that go towards more government spending. You choose.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Instead of attempting to hurl insults, why not expand on your comment. If you meant it as a blanket truism - that raising the mimimum wage WOULD generate more tax revenue by having MORE employees paying federal income taxes, then we agree. But if yours was an attempt at sarcasm, a hidden segway if you will as if to say, "the only reason the President suggested raising the minimum wage rate was so the fed could generate more tax revenue so they could then spend it," you'd basically be playing both ends against each other. Think it through...

    If Republicans had their way they wouldn't raise taxes on anybody for any reason - PERIOD! Yet their leadership has constantly said that the best way to raise revenue is by having more people employeed who would then pay into the federal tax system. Thus, I ask again, why would Republicans be opposed to this measure? You're fighting against your own anti-tax (increase) idealogy.

    I'm not the one who started a conversation by calling the person I responded to stupid....

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by uhohhotdog View Post
    The foolishness of your earlier post was to describe minimum wage as "intended for kids". Your link does nothing to dispel that nonsense. And the link is 17 years old.

    Minimum wage is not a living wage, and was never intended as such. It is completely foolish, and liberal, to adopt that free-loading interpretation. If you are over 20, earning minimum wage, and don't want to live with Mom and Dad, then you better find some roommates.

    What is so difficult for liberals to comprehend ? Is it the siren-call of free-stuff ?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    uhohhotdog;1061463549]Because I know many of those people. I've had people come into where I work during an interview where I gave them a tour and when they asked about the pay they were immediately turned off never to be heard from again. I know people who made more on unemployment than a minimum wage job would pay. Now I know you think, well thats reckless government spending. What I think is that it's deplorable that real jobs pay so little.
    I spent 35 years in the business world, employed over 1200 people, never paid minimum wage because the market wouldn't allow it but had to compete in the market place with other retail competitors. Competition seems like a foreign concept to you.

    As for people being turned off by the salary sounds to me like you didn't do a very good job giving them other reasons to take the job. Anyone that simply works for the wage is a short term thinker and someone who isn't going to provide a lot of value long term. I wonder why it is that you don't start your own business so you can correct the ills that you perceive about real business. Further I am still waiting for you to tell me how many people make minimum wage, who they are, and how long they actually make minimum wage? You generalize a lot and act like an expert but you really don't have any idea what you are talking about.

    If the market established wages, many people would be working for even less than what minimum wage is now. You can't live off of current wages yet you think people should make even less? That's just sickening. Truly truly sickening.
    Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. What is truly sickening is someone with no investment, no risk taking, no responsibility for payroll, taxes, benefit expenses deciding what someone should be paid. I hope I am around when you realize how much of a fool liberalism has made out of you.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Does the President set gas prices? Does speculation increase gas prices? Do you have a solution that will bring gas prices down?

    No, the President sets energy policy.

    And that policy will increase, or lower, gas prices.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    When you artificially keep wages flat despite the rise in inflation, you force more people into poverty thereby forcing more people to live off the very entitlement programs you rally against.

    You can't have it both ways. You either pay people a living wage or you tax those who can afford to pay more to pay for those social program the poor will flock towards in order to survive. Pick your poison...

    Higher salaries so that the employee can be self-sustaining or higher taxes that go towards more government spending. You choose.
    What are you talking about? Minimum wage is supposed to be "flat" relative to inflation, and is. Other than SS/Medicare taxation a minmum wage worker pays NO federal income taxes.

    Federal Minimum Wage Rates, 1955
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    I'm calling this claim BS.

    There are MILLIONS of kids working every summer, cutting lawns and trimming hedges, who are paid "off the books" so to speak, often for LESS than minimum wage.

    I started at about 12 myself.

    They're washing cars, and shoveling snow, too....

    There's NO way to get an actual realistic figure on your claim.
    What country do you live in? Kids mowing lawns? Shoveling snow? Washing cars? Show a source for your statement if you can

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Does the President set gas prices? Does speculation increase gas prices? Do you have a solution that will bring gas prices down?
    How much tax do you pay on a gallon of gasoline? Any idea? You don't think the President energy policies affect gasoline prices or taxes don't affect gasoline prices? What risk does the govt. have to develop that gallon of gasoline?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    When you artificially keep wages flat despite the rise in inflation, you force more people into poverty thereby forcing more people to live off the very entitlement programs you rally against.

    You can't have it both ways. You either pay people a living wage or you tax those who can afford to pay more to pay for those social program the poor will flock towards in order to survive. Pick your poison...

    Higher salaries so that the employee can be self-sustaining or higher taxes that go towards more government spending. You choose.
    Bull**** ! The choice should not be "living wage" or various government teat programs. That is a downward spiral of unaccountability and debt and ruin ! One must simply live within their means. A "living wage" should be calculated such that there are 3 or more minimum wage occupants in a 3 room apartment, eating ramen noodles for dinner. They are alive ! And the best teacher ever known, "hardship", is most wise !

    Your concept of options was poorly thought out. And so liberal.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I spent 35 years in the business world, employed over 1200 people, never paid minimum wage because the market wouldn't allow it but had to compete in the market place with other retail competitors. Competition seems like a foreign concept to you.

    As for people being turned off by the salary sounds to me like you didn't do a very good job giving them other reasons to take the job. Anyone that simply works for the wage is a short term thinker and someone who isn't going to provide a lot of value long term. I wonder why it is that you don't start your own business so you can correct the ills that you perceive about real business. Further I am still waiting for you to tell me how many people make minimum wage, who they are, and how long they actually make minimum wage? You generalize a lot and act like an expert but you really don't have any idea what you are talking about.



    Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. What is truly sickening is someone with no investment, no risk taking, no responsibility for payroll, taxes, benefit expenses deciding what someone should be paid. I hope I am around when you realize how much of a fool liberalism has made out of you.

    Hear, HEAR!

    Well said.

    I once had about 26 people working for me in North Carolina, making minimum wage or slightly more....

    Older women wanting to get out of the house, young kids going to school who liked the flexibility of the hours, older guys on pensions, temps who were between jobs.

    I created a work environment that actually had some of my employees tearing up when they left, because they were happy there, and didn't want to leave, but usually did if a better opportunity presented itself.

    Some actually came back if it didn't work out, or I allowed them to work part time if I could.

    And I always gave an excellent reference.

    It's not always about the money.

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