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    Re: SOTU Address:

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    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    By what standards and how do you compare any country the size of Cuba
    to the USA?

    Fill us in.

    The same way you compare a Country the size of Sweden to the size of the USA.

    Didn't some lib just point to Sweden. as a example of Liberal success ?

    With their stagnation, low productivity and rising unemploymemt ?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    So just because our ideals are liberal they are wrong?
    Not wrong, just very naive as you ignore human behavior and personal responsibility.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!! There are over 30 jobs bills in the Senate right now. They were sent there from the House.

    The problem are the things Obama really wanted were passed in the first two years of his Presidency.

    ObamaCare, his stimulus and they have caused massive damage to an already weak economy.

    What exactly should the Senate pass to help Obama out ?

    passing the $9 dollar minimum wage would be a major stimulus; perhaps eclipsing the 1.45 million people who are working as a direct result of the $80 billion bailout of the auto industry.

    Thatís more than likely the main reason for the opposition to the Presidentís plan. Itís kinda sad when the only thing the republicans can put forward is to be again anything the President is for; such as the idea for an insurance requirement,which originated from republican health care plans of the 90s.Then we have mittcare from2006.SAD.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    This is almost too comical to warrant a response. Do you think the government just hid the debt for eight years and then all of the sudden dumped it into the President's lap?
    THis is absolutely amazing and just goes to show who we are dealing with. All deficits, on budget and off budget are part of the national debt. We have an incredible number of naive, poorly informed people here who refuse to do any research. The debt rose from 5.7 trillion to 10.6 trillion during the Bush term that ended January 20, 2009. It is 16.5 trillion today. Wonder if our Obama supporters can do the math?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    passing the $9 dollar minimum wage would be a major stimulus; perhaps eclipsing the 1.45 million people who are working as a direct result of the $80 billion bailout of the auto industry.

    That’s more than likely the main reason for the opposition to the President’s plan. It’s kinda sad when the only thing the republicans can put forward is to be again anything the President is for; such as the idea for an insurance requirement,which originated from republican health care plans of the 90s.Then we have mittcare from2006.SAD.
    How is it going to be a major stimulus when many companies are reducing worker hours to 29 because of Obamacare regulations

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    passing the $9 dollar minimum wage would be a major stimulus; perhaps eclipsing the 1.45 million people who are working as a direct result of the $80 billion bailout of the auto industry.

    That’s more than likely the main reason for the opposition to the President’s plan. It’s kinda sad when the only thing the republicans can put forward is to be again anything the President is for; such as the idea for an insurance requirement,which originated from republican health care plans of the 90s.Then we have mittcare from2006.SAD.
    What is sad is that people like you believe small businesses are going to absorb that increased cost and not pass it on to the consumer, the net effect of the minimum wage increase will be negative as businesses will still have to compete and consumers will be stuck with the bill. Hours will be cut, employees will be cut, and the reduction in govt. revenue will continue. What is it about liberalism that creates such naive people who have no understanding of business, human behavior, or the components of GDP

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Sweden, Denmark and Norway prove liberalism works.
    None of them have a minimum wage. (Oops).

    Norway has a rational, real-values oriented pension systems - the Statens pensjonsfond – Utland and the Statens pensjonsfond Norge ( NOT exclusively stuffed with IOUs of the same bloody government, like our Social Security). Oh, and it has oil: Saudi Arabia with a human face. Yes, you can spend a lot of money, if you have a lot of money. Duh.

    Sweden had been ruled by pragmatic libertarians for the last decade and a half. And it shows. Look up "Anders Borg".

    Denmark is higher than the US of A on the multiple-factor scales of "free-marketism", according to those who bother to keep the tab: Index of Economic Freedom: Promoting Economic Opportunity and Prosperity by Country
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    None of them have a minimum wage. (Oops).

    Norway has a rational, real-values oriented pension systems ( NOT stuffed with IOUs of the same government, like our Social Security). Oh, and it has oil: Saudi Arabia with human face. Yes, you can spend a lot of money, if you have a lot of money. Duh.

    Sweden had been ruled by moderate libertarians for the last decade and a half. And it shows. Look up "Anders Borg".

    Denmark is higher than the US of A on the multiple-factor scales of "free-marketism", according to those who bother to keep the tab: Index of Economic Freedom: Promoting Economic Opportunity and Prosperity by Country
    If the US had it's own national oil company, we'd have a lot more money too. That's not very "free market".

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is sad is that people like you believe small businesses are going to absorb that increased cost and not pass it on to the consumer, the net effect of the minimum wage increase will be negative as businesses will still have to compete and consumers will be stuck with the bill. Hours will be cut, employees will be cut, and the reduction in govt. revenue will continue. What is it about liberalism that creates such naive people who have no understanding of business, human behavior, or the components of GDP
    Minimum wage affects retail more than anything else. More specifically it affects restaurants, which is something you can't ship off overseas. Yes cost of food will go up, but the amount the wage increases will more than keep up with that. These types of businesses are already working on bare bones staffing. That's what capitalism does. You can't really cut much more than they already have. People having more money to spend will create more business. In the history of minimum wage increases there has been NO significant change in unemployment. Stop spreading lies.

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