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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Fox is a media outlet. This is the President. You have nothing to offer the country and the country knows it. Figure out who you are, and get back to us. Your own party is at war with itself. We have no time for your nonsense. We have a country to govern.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Funny it seems that any proposal at spending on things like infrastructure, or any thing that increases spending is viewed as blasphemy by conservatives?
    There are 99 conservatives in the Senate? I thought it had a Democrat majority, which means they voted NO against it too.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Govt. doesn't invest money they spend money. It isn't the government's money first, it is the people who pay taxes which amounts to about 52% of the income earning working people. The Obama stimulus plan in 2009 was for infrastructure, how did that work out? Those shovel ready jobs are still waiting for the shovels.
    40% of that went to tax cuts. We need to spend money on infrastrucure. Not more tax cuts. They don't create jobs. When you put people to work, they spend their money, and when they spend money, companies need to hire more people to meet the demand. The consumer is the job creator. Overhaul the US infrastructure and you create jobs.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Conservatives opposed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Womens right to vote, Child Labor laws, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting rights act. The Ledbetter Act for equal pay for women, the Affordable Care Act, the Violence against women act. They hated SS when it began and tried to privitize it under Bush. The hate Medicare and try to turn it into a voucher system. They want to cut the crap out of Medicaid. "House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources. You don't want Obamacare, and you want to cut Medicaid by 1 Trillion. What happens to these people??
    Read more: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

    They hate everything that is designed to move the country forward.
    You have an extremely twisted view of history.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ESAD pal.

    Geeze.
    Is that the best you've got??
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    The Great One Mark Levin said.. "Liberalism is the Philosophy of the Stupid"


    I don't want to come down too hard on Mr. Levin because I know that he and his wife had the same kind of experience with their spaniel mix dog that my wife and I had with our Cockapoo. It took us a year to adopt another dog after that loss.

    That being said, Mr. Levin is not the only person on this planet who has ever had an opinion.

    To wit: On May 31, 1866, John Stuart Mill, in a parliamentary debate with the Conservative MP, John Pakington, said, "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."

    Mark Levin is a fairly intelligent dude, I wonder if he knows that 27 percent of Solid Liberals have postgraduate degrees vs. 12 percent of Staunch Conservatives. That's not just my opinion, the Pew Research Center did a study which you can look at:Section 3: Demographics and News Sources | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

    Not really trying to be a smarty-pants here, just trying to set the record straight. Neither side has all of the smart or dumb people.

    There are smart and dumb people on both sides of the aisle.

    Me, at 70-years-old and retired, I'm happy that I'm barely able to post this comment. If I live long enough, maybe I'll finally get the hang of this.

    Have a good day.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 02-13-13 at 07:54 PM.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Is that the best you've got??
    No. I wouldn't waste my best on you. Why would you think I did?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!! There are over 30 jobs bills in the Senate right now. They were sent there from the House.

    The problem are the things Obama really wanted were passed in the first two years of his Presidency.

    ObamaCare, his stimulus and they have caused massive damage to an already weak economy.

    What exactly should the Senate pass to help Obama out ?
    ObamaCare, his stimulus and they have caused massive damage to an already weak economy.
    Wrong.

    What exactly should the Senate pass to help Obama out
    Maybe they should start thinking about what they can do to help the country out. Obama won the election. The country spoke. He won by almost 5 million votes and a landslide electoral vote. Try doing what the country wants for a change, instead of thinking about your own party interests.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Maybe they should start thinking about what they can do to help the country out
    Anything specific?


    Obama won the election. The country spoke. He won by almost 5 million votes and a landslide electoral vote. Try doing what the country wants for a change, instead of thinking about your own party interests.
    People in the Congress and the Senate were elected as well. The American people, despite what many may have hoped, didn't elect a dictator.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The Great One Mark Levin said.. "Liberalism is the Philosophy of the Stupid"


    I don't want to come down too hard on Mr. Levin because I know that he and his wife had the same kind of experience with their spaniel mix dog that my wife and I had with our Cockapoo. It took us a year to adopt another dog after that loss.

    That being said, Mr. Levin is not the only person on this planet who has ever had an opinion.

    To wit: On May 31, 1866, John Stuart Mill, in a parliamentary debate with the Conservative MP, John Pakington, said, "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it."

    Mark Levin is a fairly intelligent dude, I wonder if he knows that 27 percent of Solid Liberals have postgraduate degrees vs. 12 percent of Staunch Conservatives. That's not just my opinion, the Pew Research Center did a study which you can look at:Section 3: Demographics and News Sources | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

    Not really trying to be a smarty-pants here, just trying to set the record straight. Neither side has all of the smart or dumb people.

    There are smart and dumb people on both sides of the aisle.

    Me, at 70-years-old and retired, I'm happy that I'm barely able to post this comment. If I live long enough, maybe I'll finally get the hang of this.

    Have a good day.
    I have a take on the "great one".
    Mark Levin is fundamentally a fire-breathing moron, and an ideologue of the first order. Aside from that he’s an advocate of aristocracy. In an interview with Sean Hannity, he stated that conservatives are the beneficiaries of thousands of years of human experience. He then refers to Obama and others as relying on philosophies a couple of hundred years old. That’s interesting
    considering that aside from the Ancient Greeks, Democracy as we know it is only as old as this country itself…approximately 218 years old. Those philosophies that preceded it were aristocratic, authoritarian, or theocratic. They were not democratic. They were exactly the philosophies that our founders rejected.

    Essentially, Conservatism is the domination of society by a group devoted to aristocracy. Conservatism, as we will see, is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on complete deception, lies and a commitment to the Machiavellian, concept of the ends justify the means,
    and has no place in the modern world, which is exactly why it’s floundering today and why modern conservatives seek refuge under the rubric of Libertarian, or Classical Liberal. Today’s conservatives identify themselves in terms of liberalism, because conservatism has left a bad taste in peoples mouths.

    Levin re-iterates that “our principles are tried and true. They’ve been tried for centuries”. Yet again, Democracy as we know it only began at the time of the ratification of the constitution. So what philosophy is he talking about that preceded democracy? Certainly it wasn’t something that our founders sought to replicate. Levin hits the main problem with conservatism. He states that
    we can’t salute a philosophy that is antithetical to our history (that’s a subjective view and could be debated forever) or to our BELIEF SYSTEM. And that is where the problem lies.

    Conservatism is by Levin’s own admission, a belief system. But being so it can never demonstrate itself as being true. It’s an ideology actually formalized by Russell Kirk who provided 6 canons that conservatives follow. Canons? Conservatism today has taken on the mantle of a religious cult. It has a doctrine that must be followed religiously or you risk excommunication. For example: his dismissal of Colin Powell, Tom Ridge and others who he claims aren’t Republicans or for that matter conservatives. Apparently if you aren’t a conservative then you aren’t even a Republican. The problem with ideological thinking like this is that it assumes its own infallibility. That it is flawless. Yet it was created by fallible men. Is it even remotely possible that it could be wrong? Can an idea created by fallible men be infallible?

    The question is, can it even demonstrate how it’s true. If it can, then maybe Levin could provide the methodology that he uses to prove it. He writes a book that is the Conservative Manifesto, defining conservatism. By defining it, he is unconsciously limiting the reach of its own effectiveness. Once he defines it then it’s not possible to be something beyond that definition. Its potential for greatness is limited to what he’s described. That is self limiting and completely contrary to free-thought and democracy. If, in a democracy those ideas are rejected as they have been recently, then perhaps he might reevaluate his ideas. But no! That isn’t possible because the ideology can’t be wrong. He can’t demonstrate how it’s true, but it can’t be wrong. But if something cannot possibly be wrong, then how can it be right. In order for something to be right it must contain the possibility of being wrong. For something to be true, it must contain the possibility of being false otherwise you’re merely preaching a belief, rather then something that can be proven right or wrong empirically. You would have nothing to compare that truth to. In the world of Mark Levin, conservatism cannot be wrong.

    From the time of the pharaohs of ancient Egypt to the thugs of ancient Rome to the glorified warlords of medieval and absolutist Europe, and in nearly every urbanized society throughout human history, there have been people who have tried to constitute themselves as an aristocracy. These people and their allies are the conservatives.

    The tactics of conservatism vary widely by place and time. But the most central feature of conservatism is complete deference: an internalized attitude on the part of the common people that the aristocracy are better people than they are. Mark Levin has no interest in democracy. His only interest is a return to an aristocratic society of Lords and serfs.

    This is Mark Levin’s Theory of Rationality
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