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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Austerity is as effective at helping the economy as blood letting was at curing disease. We are cutting too much too fast with nothing to increase revenue, to what end? You can't cut all the debt we have simply by removing spending, it will take years to reduce the debt.
    "We" have cut nothing so again it appears that you are very misinformed. When you have a debt this size you grow your way out of it and it starts with cutting spending and then promoting private sector growth. When the private sector grows the people don't need a massive central govt. and liberals know that thus why they hate the private sector. It destroys their power. Obama knows that, liberal elites know that, and they are able to brainwash people like you convincing you they are right. Give me an example of a successful liberal govt. anywhere in the world?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Your post indicated that it had not been voted on in the House. It received a vote as recently as March of last year when it garnered all of 78 votes which happens to be close to the number in the Progressive caucus...
    Then tell me why it was voted down? There are many ideas in that budget that would appeal to those looking for a solution to the mess we are in. Why did republicans vote against it.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Funny it seems that any proposal at spending on things like infrastructure, or any thing that increases spending is viewed as blasphemy by conservatives?
    Govt. doesn't invest money they spend money. It isn't the government's money first, it is the people who pay taxes which amounts to about 52% of the income earning working people. The Obama stimulus plan in 2009 was for infrastructure, how did that work out? Those shovel ready jobs are still waiting for the shovels.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

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    "We" have cut nothing so again it appears that you are very misinformed. When you have a debt this size you grow your way out of it and it starts with cutting spending and then promoting private sector growth. When the private sector grows the people don't need a massive central govt. and liberals know that thus why they hate the private sector. It destroys their power. Obama knows that, liberal elites know that, and they are able to brainwash people like you convincing you they are right. Give me an example of a successful liberal govt. anywhere in the world?
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Then tell me why it was voted down? There are many ideas in that budget that would appeal to those looking for a solution to the mess we are in. Why did republicans vote against it.
    I'm not a mind reader, but apparently less than half of the Dem caucus itself voted in the affirmative. It didn't appeal to me at all, and yes, I would like to see some solutions come out of DC...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So you think we have a dictator whose policies are "my way or the highway?" What policies has Obama proposed that is based upon the foundation upon which our economy was built? You think promoting class warfare, penalizing individual wealth creation, proposing a one size fits all Federal healthcare program, refusal to implement any of the Bowles Simpson proposals, demonizing Ryan and Republicans at every turn is good leadership?

    When you have a divided govt. it takes leadership to accomplish anything and Obama lacks any basic leadership skills. He is a former community agitator who believes the govt. has the answers even though no where in the world has a liberal govt. been successful. High debt, high unemployment, low economic growth aren't indicative of good economic policy and positive economic results.
    From day one of his first term, the day of the inauguration, the Repubs were plotting to destroy his presidency. They even admit it. They only goal was to remove him after one term. As for his being a "community agitator" perhaps you should have taken a few lessons. He managed to organize the entire country and we're better off for it despite the ideologues that hate him for who he is.

    no where in the world has a liberal govt. been successful.
    Everywhere it's been successful. Including right here. Your conservative ideology is what has failed. Look what you did to this country under 8 years of Bush.
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    From day one of his first term, the day of the inauguration, the Repubs were plotting to destroy his presidency. They even admit it. They only goal was to remove him after one term. As for his being a "community agitator" perhaps you should have taken a few lessons. He managed to organize the entire country and we're better off for it despite the ideologues that hate him for who he is.



    Everywhere it's been successful. Including right here. Your conservative ideology is what has failed. Look what you did to this country under 8 years of Bush.
    Explain California junior.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    From day one of his first term, the day of the inauguration, the Repubs were plotting to destroy his presidency. They even admit it. They only goal was to remove him after one term. As for his being a "community agitator" perhaps you should have taken a few lessons. He managed to organize the entire country and we're better off for it despite the ideologues that hate him for who he is.

    Everywhere it's been successful. Including right here. Your conservative ideology is what has failed. Look what you did to this country under 8 years of Bush.
    The reference you're making occurred just before the 2010 elections and was taken totally out of context. I'm not a fan of the Repbs, but I'm less of a fan of those that don't know what their posting about...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Govt. doesn't invest money they spend money. It isn't the government's money first, it is the people who pay taxes which amounts to about 52% of the income earning working people. The Obama stimulus plan in 2009 was for infrastructure, how did that work out? Those shovel ready jobs are still waiting for the shovels.
    Some argue that the stimulus was too small and there should have been more spending in areas like schools, roads, bridges, and other infrastructure projects. And maybe it was the job of the states to enact these programs?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right out of the liberal playbook and wrong. Prove that Republicans want to gut SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. It does appear that Obama has certainly an uninformed supporter in you. I suggest a basic history course and find out what built this great country and I assure you it wasn't massive expansion of entitlemen programs and govt. dependence which is at a record high under Obama. Our Founders never supported a massive central govt and Europe has shown that the entitlement state will be buried under its own weight.

    I am waiting for the economic policies that Obama has proposed that would have helped the private sector and improved the economy?
    Conservatives opposed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Womens right to vote, Child Labor laws, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting rights act. The Ledbetter Act for equal pay for women, the Affordable Care Act, the Violence against women act. They hated SS when it began and tried to privitize it under Bush. The hate Medicare and try to turn it into a voucher system. They want to cut the crap out of Medicaid. "House Republicans are planning to cut roughly $1 trillion over 10 years from Medicaid, the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled, as part of their fiscal 2012 budget, which they will unveil early next month, according to several GOP sources. You don't want Obamacare, and you want to cut Medicaid by 1 Trillion. What happens to these people??
    Read more: GOP plans $1 trillion Medicaid cut - Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

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