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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yes, we all lived and worked for the past years in the ruins left by the Bush Meltdown. What you didn't do is basic reading on the magnitude of it.

    So I can't help you. You need a remedial class to get the basic facts. It's the largest deepest recession in 70 years. Read Reich's "Aftershock". He'll fill you in on the basics.
    You keep believing that and keep blaming someone else for your own personal failures. I have yet to see an answer to the question raised, how did Bush single handedly destroy the economy with democrats in control of the Congress? Seems to me that partisan hackery is in full display with you.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    If obama could be half as good as Bush , youd be weeping in joy...but sadly Obama is a scumbag marxist loser..
    Head of Joaquin's Law: a tea partier can't post more than three times without calling somebody a marxist.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You keep believing that and keep blaming someone else for your own personal failures. I have yet to see an answer to the question raised, how did Bush single handedly destroy the economy with democrats in control of the Congress? Seems to me that partisan hackery is in full display with you.
    We have the metrics of the Bush Meltdown. They aren't in dispute. If you choose to ignore them and whine about Carter, I really can't help you.

    Meanwhile the economic damage of Bush's failed conservative policies continue, but fortunately, Obama's Keynesian prevented worst destruction.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    If ... but sadly Obama is a scumbag marxist loser..
    ... but the facility with which he lies to the masses is unsurpassed.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    We have the metrics of the Bush Meltdown. They aren't in dispute. If you choose to ignore them and whine about Carter, I really can't help you.

    Meanwhile the economic damage of Bush's failed conservative policies continue, but fortunately, Obama's Keynesian prevented worst destruction.
    We also have basic civics which apparently you don't understand. You have no proof that Obama prevented a depression only leftwing claims as such, just rhetoric without substance. Still waiting for how did Bush destroy the economy with Democrats controlling Congress. Please take a civics course

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    So, showing you your error means I'm not interested in civil debate huh? Gee, I guess I lost then.
    wait.

    I can claim you are not only lying, but you are pulling your lies out of your ass. Then i can later claim I was simply showing the error of your ways.

    and some ass hat actually liked your reply based on that initial idiocy?

    wow.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    Workers are parasites if the owner is forced to pay them more than the value they bring to the company. These jobs are nor ment to support families we should stop trying to make them be able too.
    I guess we have a different POV about workers. To me, a worker is NOT a parasite. To you, apparently they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. Do you assert that welfare is less now than $320/month? It will shift the "welfare" costs from gov't to private employer, but do no more than that. Increasing wages with no increase in productivity is insane. Why not make that "living minimum wage" $25/hour then?

    You must be confusing me with someone who is arguing for a "living wage". I'm supporting a "minimum wage". I doubt any individual can consider $9 p/h a "living wage". So, to make an exaggeration like $25 per hour doesn't really help much in the context of this discussion. Productivity is very subjective. I have no idea what welfare is but I assume it is income based and thus an increase in income would result in a decrease in welfare.


    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I didnt even add the overcosts of doing the red tape to change peoples wages, pay additional benefits based on their rate of pay, deal with the tax code, etc. The cost is even higher. That assuming they dont simply fire someone (or not hire, expand, whatever) to absorb the cost.

    These are the consequences of central control of the economy. It would be better to eliminate wage controls.
    The minimum wage has existed since I first entered the workforce. At that time, it was 85 an hour. You may be against the concept of a minimum wage but the question is not whether to have a minimum wage, but to determine what that minimum wage is.

    The last minimum wage increase was under the Bush administration. If your objections are ased on your dislike of Obama, then please just say so. I'm discussing one single aspect of the SOTU speech and I think it bears examination not clouded by partisan hatred. Obama wasn't my choice either. But that doesn't mean I must condemn every single action of his administration.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The Housing Crash was caused by Democrats
    It does not matter dems or repubs.

    The housing crash was caused by government interference. Get government out period.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Your article is dated March 1st 2009. Major fail.

    It's also doesn't characterize a Countrywide loan for example as a "CRA loan". The problem with that premise is that the GSEs bought up 70% of all of CountryWide's loans and added them to their portfolio. Democrats caused the Housing Crash. It's irrefutable. Reno strong armed banks to push affordable housing goals to reduce "redlining". Groups like ACORN were used as the foot soldiers in neighborhoods to keep the banks in line. Classic left wing community organizing.

    Every fact you are unable to refute you characterize as "Right Wing Memes" while at the same time you push 4 year old articles that are long past even being remotely relevant. Sad and pathetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by hawke812 View Post
    It does not matter dems or repubs.

    The housing crash was caused by government interference. Get government out period.
    It matters

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    Wow, Specklebang. I couldn't even fill up my car once making 85 cents an hour.

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