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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you support tax reform?
    Absolutely, too bad Obama's idea of tax reform only hits the upper income earns which is nothing more than a drop in the bucket to solve our spending problem promoted by liberalism. How much in Federal Income Taxes do the 22 plus million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers pay?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Using this line of reasoning, I should hope that nobody ever gets a wage increase. Never. Why, prices might go up! My best friend just got a raise to $18.03 an hour and I don't think her company's prices went up.

    Even using your figures, not allowing for the fact that the current amount is $7.25 and thus we're talking about $1.75, not $2.00 and allowing for the fact that there are a number of states that already have a higher minimum wage, I just want to remind you that these are WORKERS not PARASITES and the amounts you are concerned with are negiligible in context.

    I seriously doubt that anybody will lose their job over $1.75 an hour. Even $9 an hour is hardly high wages but it's enough to get them off the welfare rolls.
    Nonsense. Do you assert that welfare is less now than $320/month? It will shift the "welfare" costs from gov't to private employer, but do no more than that. Increasing wages with no increase in productivity is insane. Why not make that "living minimum wage" $25/hour then?

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Thank you for this!...




    No, I don't blame anyone as EVERYONE is at fault and the mere application of blame is pointless. Yes the GOP did do SOMETHING, frankly compounding the already complicated tax code even further (as I inferred previously).
    I need to do a better job of knowing who I am debating with. :-)

    Seems we are on the same page.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Morning Bell: Heritage Experts Analyze the State of the Union

    by Amy Payne @ The Foundry

    President Barack Obama laid out an ambitious agenda last night. Here are some highlights of our experts’ analysis of his claims, his plans, and his promises.
    For those of you who adore King Barry Hussein, don't bother to click on Heritage Experts React to the State of the Union 2013: Analysis

    or State of the Union 2013 Expert Analysis

    IMHO, just more hot air by The Campaigner-in-Chief with a lot more Big Government. And no, I did not bother to watch it as there were more interesting things to see such as a re-run of NCIS-LA and Castle.

    And, oh yes, Scott Johnson at Power Line SOTU, Jeopardy style | Power Line asks some interesting questions about the speech to include:

    When Obama describes the “sequester” budget cuts as a looming disaster, does he expect us to forget that he is their author? Is he counting on his friends in the media to keep a secret? (Okay, foolish question.) How is it possible to take anything he says in good faith?

    How many noticed the absence of Supreme Court Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia at the speech? Free Republic didn't and wrote this piece about it - Three conservative justices absent themselves from SOTU

    And yet this - Healthcare Paid for With Unicorn Farts

    By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | February 13th, 2013

    There will be many words from many people about much of the President’s State of the Union speech from last night.

    I will only focus on one line, which distinctly highlights again just how out to lunch the man is when it comes to real healthcare reforms in this country.
    Read more @ Healthcare Paid for With Unicorn Farts | RedState
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. Do you assert that welfare is less now than $320/month? It will shift the "welfare" costs from gov't to private employer, but do no more than that. Increasing wages with no increase in productivity is insane. Why not make that "living minimum wage" $25/hour then?

    Examining the Means-tested Welfare State

    Australia's minimum wage is $15.96 (Australian), which translates to $16.50 (U.S.) and the country has a jobless rate of just 5.4 per cent. AND their Prime Minister is an atheist!
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Australia's minimum wage is $15.96 (Australian), which translates to $16.50 (U.S.) and the country has a jobless rate of just 5.4 per cent. AND their Prime Minister is an atheist!
    Do they have 11 million to 15 million illegal aliens?

    How fair is Australia

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1225817876786

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/05/04/...witcher=mobile
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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Australia's minimum wage is $15.96 (Australian), which translates to $16.50 (U.S.) and the country has a jobless rate of just 5.4 per cent. AND their Prime Minister is an atheist!
    Sounds like your kind of place to live!

    Australia

    22.6 million people, less than the state of TX

    11.5 million labor force again less than the state of TX

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Using this line of reasoning, I should hope that nobody ever gets a wage increase. Never. Why, prices might go up! My best friend just got a raise to $18.03 an hour and I don't think her company's prices went up.

    Even using your figures, not allowing for the fact that the current amount is $7.25 and thus we're talking about $1.75, not $2.00 and allowing for the fact that there are a number of states that already have a higher minimum wage, I just want to remind you that these are WORKERS not PARASITES and the amounts you are concerned with are negiligible in context.

    I seriously doubt that anybody will lose their job over $1.75 an hour. Even $9 an hour is hardly high wages but it's enough to get them off the welfare rolls.
    I didnt even add the overcosts of doing the red tape to change peoples wages, pay additional benefits based on their rate of pay, deal with the tax code, etc. The cost is even higher. That assuming they dont simply fire someone (or not hire, expand, whatever) to absorb the cost.

    These are the consequences of central control of the economy. It would be better to eliminate wage controls.

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Absolutely, too bad Obama's idea of tax reform only hits the upper income earns which is nothing more than a drop in the bucket to solve our spending problem promoted by liberalism. How much in Federal Income Taxes do the 22 plus million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers pay?
    Exactly. If he supported tax reform he would have done something with the TAX REFORM COMMISSION HE SET UP!

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    Re: SOTU Address:

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Exactly. If he supported tax reform he would have done something with the TAX REFORM COMMISSION HE SET UP!
    Obama gives lip service and appeals to the poorly informed who buy rhetoric over results. The poorly informed continue to support Obama and are the ones that benefit from the dependent society.

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