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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are so right, hate radio made up the current 16.6 trillion dollar debt,
    negative GDP growth last quarter, 22 plus million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, record number of people on food stamps, over 100 million Americans on some form of taxpayer assistance, along with all the other verifiable data on non partisan sites like BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury.
    Conservative's only use data, facts and common sense to cloud the truth of Obama's brilliance and the Nations roaring recovery.

    Notice his ad hominem. I'm trying to help them, educate them.

    Oh well. We knew we had a problem when 60 million of them re-elected the guy that ran on " Usama's Dead, GM's Alive "..

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Lovely. We should all be so lucky.
    So when someone says the richest -% pay such and % of all federal income taxes, we should all be aware that they mean ONLY income taxes, and the numbers are padded with corporate tax receipts.

    When did become so stupid as to fall for this stuff? (My answer is the 80's when I fell for supply-side theory, but the actual outcomes and the facts disabused me of this notion)

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just as I thought, you don't get out much and have no idea what goes on in the real world. Get your nose out of the books and become a little more street smart. Over 100 million Americans are on some form of taxpayer assistance, we have record numbers on food stamps, we have 22+ million unemployed/under employed/discouraged all receiving some kind of taxpayer assistance and 52% of income earners are paying those charges. In your world apparently people are never the problem unless of course they are rich and spend money a different way than you want. You do not seem to understand personal responsibility.

    If we aren't trying to create equal outcome why redistribute wealth? Why tax one class of people more? Why is it that 47+% of the income earning families in this country pay zero income taxes? What is it about the cost of running this govt. don't you understand? Apparently you have no idea what your taxes fund and what are state and local responsibilities. Do you believe it is my responsibility to pay for your personal expenses? If you want me to fund your expenses then send me your address so I can send you a direct check vs having the govt. take the money, syphon off their adminstrative costs and then send it where they want to send it?
    If we aren't trying to create equal outcome why redistribute wealth?
    What do you think "redistribution of wealth" means?

    Why tax one class of people more
    “The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”

    "the expense of defending the society, and that of supporting the dignity of the chief magistrate, are both laid out for the general benefit of the whole society. It is reasonable, therefore, that they should be defrayed by the general contribution of the whole society, all the different members contributing, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities."

    Progressive Taxation
    "It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    Smith also wrote:
    "The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities, that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state."

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Conservative's only use data, facts and common sense to cloud the truth of Obama's brilliance and the Nations roaring recovery.

    Notice his ad hominem. I'm trying to help them, educate them.

    Oh well. We knew we had a problem when 60 million of them re-elected the guy that ran on " Usama's Dead, GM's Alive "..
    Its past conservatives bedtime now.He takes his double shot of metiamusil and hits the sack about this time every-night. Probably has trouble sleeping though, seeing as the republicans threw this election with the most non electable field ever put forth by a political party. Maybe that's why he keeps parroting the same things over and over and over again,like a endless rerun of Glen Beck talking points.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    So when someone says the richest -% pay such and % of all federal income taxes, we should all be aware that they mean ONLY income taxes, and the numbers are padded with corporate tax receipts.

    When did become so stupid as to fall for this stuff? (My answer is the 80's when I fell for supply-side theory, but the actual outcomes and the facts disabused me of this notion)
    The top 1% of earners pay 38% of all federal individual income taxes.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The top 1% of earners pay 38% of all federal individual income taxes.
    If you hotkey that post it'll save you a lotta time seeing as you seem to use it quite often.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: SOTU Address:[W: 378]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    You post an incoherent rambling THESIS to anther poster (obvious Child) and you think that Addagio shoulda respond-TWICE. You’re a real piece of work.Bytheway, have you ever figured the gender thingy out yet?

    OH god, i had such high hopes for you too. sad panda.
    I probably did like Childs post. I was confused between him and the guy with the Owl. I actually like Childs posts a lot. Originally I thought he was talking about the Owl. Couldn't figure out why I'd "like" his posts. Turns out my instincts were correct. Sorry Child
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    If you hotkey that post it'll save you a lotta time seeing as you seem to use it quite often.
    I enjoy the manual work of setting forth the truth.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    The poor lads got problems. More than likely to much time listening to hate radio. If you could come up with his addy you should send him a bill for the psychoanalyzing that you gave him; hope he takes it to heart.
    I should start charging for my services?? I'll send him a bill.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow, you still have nothing ? After all that time Googling to find a magical counter to each point, you show up with nothing.

    How embarrasing.
    Google?? I have my own notes to refer to. They all come from studying history, logic, philosophy. It's conservatism itself that I have issues with. Don't you know that yet?? I take nothing from the DNC in the way of "talking points". I don't need to. Conservatism is easy to deconstruct.
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