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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    You failed to comment on your idea that we want to assure equal outcome. Why is that? Never mind. It's a false statement and you should know that. And we dont' provide for the general welfare. In fact, all forms of welfare are highly selective. It's not something provided to the general population. At the time of the constitution we had about 4 million population. Today we have 315 Million. We can't exist the way we did in the 1700's. And we can't let people in the wealthiest nation on earth, starve or walk around dying in our streets.
    Just as I thought, you don't get out much and have no idea what goes on in the real world. Get your nose out of the books and become a little more street smart. Over 100 million Americans are on some form of taxpayer assistance, we have record numbers on food stamps, we have 22+ million unemployed/under employed/discouraged all receiving some kind of taxpayer assistance and 52% of income earners are paying those charges. In your world apparently people are never the problem unless of course they are rich and spend money a different way than you want. You do not seem to understand personal responsibility.

    If we aren't trying to create equal outcome why redistribute wealth? Why tax one class of people more? Why is it that 47+% of the income earning families in this country pay zero income taxes? What is it about the cost of running this govt. don't you understand? Apparently you have no idea what your taxes fund and what are state and local responsibilities. Do you believe it is my responsibility to pay for your personal expenses? If you want me to fund your expenses then send me your address so I can send you a direct check vs having the govt. take the money, syphon off their adminstrative costs and then send it where they want to send it?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    First, your'e a politico outcast ? It seems appropriate. Youv'e wasted a decent amount of bandwith and have said NOTHING.

    You havn't addressed any of my comments. And no your generic gibberish doesn't a rebut make.

    You won't "wade through my crap" because your'e incapable. Iv'e called you out specifically 3 times to address my points specifically and your response is just a bunch of subjective ego-centric dreck.

    Even the other libs aren't comming to your rescue any more.

    And "the basis for my basis ?....LOL.

    Ive told you already, it's truth.

    First, your'e a politico outcast ? It seems appropriate. Youv'e wasted a decent amount of bandwith and have said NOTHING.
    Outcast??? They shut the forum down. It's not like anybody had any say in the matter. And actually I said quite a bit if you can understand it.

    You havn't addressed any of my comments. And no your generic gibberish doesn't a rebut make
    Oh but I did. It begins with,."Well...finally." and ends with "I'd say your conservatism is flawed. Recognizing the flaws is what brings you closer to the truth. If that's really what matters to you." I asked you specifically why I or anybody else should believe anything that your saying. I asked you for evidence, which you can't supply. I asked you specifically about your not being a Christian. I also asked you "Can you demonstrate for me that 1) you use the truth, and 2) that your ideology can demonstrate what makes itself true? After you made all those ridculous claims.

    You won't "wade through my crap" because your'e incapable.
    I won't wade through your crap, because I don't wade through crap. I've already told you that. It's not even your crap. You're just grabbing somebody's talking points and posting them. Thats an exercise in dualing talking points, and that's garbage. I'm not interested in garbage.

    Iv'e called you out specifically 3 times to address my points specifically and your response is just a bunch of subjective ego-centric dreck.
    Then obviously you should have figured out a long time ago, that I have no interest in talking points. What you're upset about is that your entire MO is dependent on talking points, and you seem to go crazy if people won't play your game. That's your problem.

    Even the other libs aren't comming to your rescue any more.
    I don't need rescuing. You do. Just look at the other conservatives coming to your aid. I'm capable of speaking for myself...WITHOUT anybody's talking points.

    And "the basis for my basis ?....LOL.Ive told you already, it's truth.
    Then demonstrate it for us. Go ahead. We'll wait.

    Your essay on why you're a conservative has been disected. You don't know why you are. You can't demonstrate why you are. You hold a bunch of beliefs, but you can't demonstrate why any of them are true. So...you hold beliefs and values that you can't demonstrate as true. But you hold them anyway, because somehow you seem to think that they justify themselves. And you're convinced that they are infallibly correct, and can't understand why all those nasty liberals don't see it. They don't. But...I already knew that. I suspect you did not. In fact, I don't think you ever bothered to ask yourself that.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Why should we come to Adagios rescue?He's doing a fine job on his own of handing up your collective ass's onna platter.Even someone with a room temp IQ should be able to figure that one out.
    I think he thinks we all need somebody's help in dealing with them. Guess I left my talking points someplace else. What do you think about Dualing Talking Points?
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    I think he thinks we all need somebody's help in dealing with them. Guess I left my talking points someplace else. What do you think about Dualing Talking Points?

    The poor lads got problems. More than likely to much time listening to hate radio. If you could come up with his addy you should send him a bill for the psychoanalyzing that you gave him; hope he takes it to heart.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    The poor lads got problems. More than likely to much time listening to hate radio. If you could come up with his addy you should send him a bill for the psychoanalyzing that you gave him; hope he takes it to heart.
    You are so right, hate radio made up the current 16.6 trillion dollar debt, negative GDP growth last quarter, 22 plus million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, record number of people on food stamps, over 100 million Americans on some form of taxpayer assistance, along with all the other verifiable data on non partisan sites like BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!

    First I'm pretty sure he is a "she". Anyone with a room temperature IQ should be able to figure that one out.

    Note Addagio's efforts to do just about anything and everything to avoid discussing specific data and when challenged simply maxes out the post character count and just repeats the innane and superficial barely coherent rhetoric that was in the last post she was responsible for.

    Look I realize that empty fillibusters and generic plattitudes impress you, but it doesn't equate to someone' ass getting handed to them. It actually means theyv'e admitted their failure at debating on the merits of their argument and have moved on to nonsensical rhetoric.

    Since Addagio's too scared to address my challenge of rebutting my earlier sub-prime post, maybe you would like to take a shot at it.

    First I'm pretty sure he is a "she". Anyone with a room temperature IQ should be able to figure that one out.
    Ooops wrong again. Better check your temperature.

    Note Addagio's efforts to do just about anything and everything to avoid discussing specific data and when challenged simply maxes out the post character count and just repeats the innane and superficial barely coherent rhetoric that was in the last post she was responsible for.
    I think I told you more times than I can remember...I don't engage in a war of talking points. I can think for myself. Can you? Of course you can. It will make all your posts stronger.And I'd suggest you correct your gender error unless you want to risk an infraction of the rules. We wouldn't want that now, would we?

    Look I realize that empty fillibusters and generic plattitudes impress you, but it doesn't equate to someone' ass getting handed to them.
    Whip can think for himself. And he's not easily impressed. I have issues with the entire idea of conservatism, and that's what I post about, not a host of talking points over every minute issue that I personally don't have the time or interest to wade through. My interest in economics stems from the author of the economic idea, and whether it strikes me as both rational and logical. I look at who's interests are served, and who's are impacted negatively. If I'm to examine the conservative approach then I look to where it originates and Hayek is usually the source today. So I go to him to get his thoughts. Not Paul Ryan or Ayn Rand. If I am to examine conservatism then I go to the source of where the movement began which is Russell Kirk in 1953. But I find that Kirk is really warmed over Edmund Burke, so I study Burke. And he was an Aristocrat member of Parliament back in the days of the Revolution. He was the leading Anti-enlightenment voice. This country was founded on the Enlightenment principles of Locke, Voltair, Rouseau, Paine, and of course Jefferson. I look at the history of conservatism dating to the revolution, through slavery and the Civil War, through Jim Crow and Segregation, and the entire history of the American South. I see very little change in attitude among them. So...I look at every proposal from a conservative through that lense. One thing they never do, is change their values. Those are constant, and very deeply rooted. And their economic proposals, and their social ideas are in my view primitive. So...talking points mean nothing to me. I'd suggest you find another playmate if that's where you want to go.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    No, they don't pay it and they don't get to claim it any real way, but for statistical purposes, the CBO adds corporate taxes to their personal income taxes. It is ONLY for statistical purposes, but whenever someone says the rich pay some percentage of income taxes, not only are the income taxes only about half of all federal taxes, but they are padding the stats by adding corporate taxes received to the amounts paid by the highest earners.
    Lovely. We should all be so lucky.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    I think he thinks we all need somebody's help in dealing with them. Guess I left my
    talking points someplace else. What do you think about Dualing Talking Points?
    Wow, you still have nothing ? After all that time Googling to find a magical counter to each point, you show up with nothing.

    How embarrasing.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    You post an incoherent rambling THESIS to anther poster (obvious Child) and you
    think that Addagio shoulda respond-TWICE. You’re a real piece of work.Bytheway, have you ever figured the gender thingy out yet?

    OH god, i had such high hopes for you too. sad panda.
    So you wont do a point by point rebut to my very coherent post on who's responsible for the sub-prime collapse either ?

    I mean its coherent if your reading comprehension level excels that of a fourth grader.

    The two of you are hillarious. Sorry I forced the both of you into a desperate GOOGLE search for counterpoints on my very specific post.

    I guess all you have now is to give each other the proverbial "high five" for being exposed on a public forum.

    " Yay, wev'e been humiliated by a Conservative AGAIN on a political forum....Yay !

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So you wont do a point by point rebut to my very coherent post on who's responsible for the sub-prime collapse either ?

    I mean its coherent if your reading comprehension level excels that of a fourth grader.

    The two of you are hillarious. Sorry I forced the both of you into a desperate GOOGLE search for counterpoints on my very specific post.

    I guess all you have now is to give each other the proverbial "high five" for being exposed on a public forum.

    " Yay, wev'e been humiliated by a Conservative AGAIN on a political forum....Yay !
    Go back and look where your links go.WTF...why the trollling of your post to another member of DP?If you were so proud of that wall of INCOHERENT GIBBERISH make a copy of it and paste it above yer cradle.Whats with the referencing to googling?A bit of projecting going on?
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