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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No Jethro it doesn't. It takes an adherance to fundamental character traits and the abillity to objectively see through the rhetoric of politicians and their supporters and find the truth.

    If you don't want to battle and want to stay exclusivley on topic then stop with veiled insinuations and direct attacks on peoples intelligence because if you do it to me I'm firing right back and I have plenty of ammunition.

    As for your arguments if I see youv'e said something incorrect, lied, made generalizations , inconsistent statements or just parroted nonsensical talking points I'm going to call you out on it.

    Its the point of the Site " debate politics ". If you want to make it personal then that's up to you.

    But about that post I wrote. Long wasn't it ? And all kinds of awesome.

    But apparently I posted in the wrong thread according to obvious.

    Hell it was 1 am and I was on my 7th drink so hey, even I make the occasional mistake.

    You Libs have made a curious choice, to defend the undefendable in the midst of a failing Presidency. But it's getting old as you rely on the one and most pathetic excuse time and time again to mitigate the suffering of the American middle Class.

    So, you continue with your " Bush blame " andb I'll continue to expose your desperation.
    No Jethro it doesn't. It takes an adherance to fundamental character traits and the abillity to objectively see through the rhetoric of politicians and their supporters and find the truth.
    Yes...well even that is a skill. "It takes an adherance to fundamental character traits and the abillity to objectively see through the rhetoric of politicians and their supporters and find the truth". And of course you have aquired this...skill and have the ability to be objective? Really. Just how objective are you? Are you objective enough to recognize you could be wrong? You label yourself a conservative. That's an ideology that you subscribe to. That's a bias viewpoint that you proclaim to hold. You can't be biased and objective at the same time. That's a contradiction in terms. If you REALLY want to find the truth, then it might be a good idea to accept the FACT that you could be wrong about everything. Because the truth is that you are fallible and that means you are prone to error. So just how objective are you againe?
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    So just how objective are you again?
    Enough that his primary method of argumentation is personal attacks.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Of course it is. Which is exactly how I'm going to respond to a battery of talking points. The only difference is that these are MY thoughts. Not something given to me.
    Except they match up almost exactly with liberal talking points I have seen over and over. Do you believe in coincidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    That's what talking points do. I responded to several of his. But mine aren't talking points. They're my own and they're my view of the psychology and tactics of conservatives. I told our friend that I'm not going to engage in a back and forth over who can gather the most talking points riddled with distorted data to try and prove a point. Would you accept a series of those from me? I highly doubt it. The part you underlined came from a book that I wrote. If you have something to say that's an original thought, then skip the provided talking points and make your case. Otherwise, it's amateur hour. Use some reason and logic and historical reference to make your case.
    Amateur hour? Use some reason and logic? And you accused me of personal attacks. Again your responses match liberal ideas exactly. They dont look very original.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    I didn't ask you to read it. It wasn't addressed to you. But since you picked up on it, you should know by now that I don't concern myself with your opinion or anybody's for that matter. That guy decided to post a bunch of crap. He claimed I wouldn't engage him. Well, there you have it. Consider yourselves engaged. If you can't handle what the response is then find a thread where people like short quips and insults. I don't. I learned how to express my views a long time ago.
    I will respond to whatever thread I wish and however I please within the rules of the forum. So far, you seem to parrot out the same things I've heard over and over. You are like one giant confirmation bias echo chamber.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Your reading comprehension is weak. It's not an ideology. It's a critique of one. Know the difference. I never offered any ideology nor defended one in that paragraph. I don't subscribe to them. They're all false. Including yours.
    Oh you subscribe to one alright, you just dont have the temerity and honesty to admit it. Again, you arent providing anything new and you act as though your parroted lines are awe inspiring beacons of clear thought. Same discourse, slightly different words and nothing new.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I didn't say that South Africa was a socialist country, I said the ANC were socialist, internationalist socialist. Communist are internationalist socialist, Where as Nazis are also socialist but they are nationalist socialist.

    Barack Obama is a socialist but he hasn't yet turned America in to an internationalist socialist country. He has a little problem with the Constitution. As we have seen over the past four years, Obama has ignored the Constitution, has refused to show leadership and cross the aisle in Congress and compromise, has misused Executive Order Privilege to bypass Congress, has used the U.S. military for liberal social engineering experimentation.

    In Barck Obama's own words in his book, "Dreams From My Father" Obama said "I never looked upon my self as being an American but as an internationalist."

    The first time I visited South Africa was in 1975. That's during apartheid. In 1975 I met a girl at Long Beach State University who was attending college on a student visa from Rhodesia. Well we hooked up and became engaged. In 75 I traveled to Rhodesia to meet her parents via South Africa. They owned a large cattle ranch in Rhodesia.

    A year later she returned home during Christmas vacation in 1976. She was raped and murdered by Communist terrorist, Her mother was raped and murdered by Communist terrorist. Her father was murdered by Communist terrorist. The same terrorist who were affiliated with the ANC and today rule Zimbabwe.

    I visited South Africa again in the early 1990's after apartheid. Not a safe place at all. The middle class including the black middle class all live behind walled communities where the cost of living includes paying for armed mercenaries providing perimeter security.

    In South Africa most of the cars are European, mostly German or British, All have sun roofs. No one drives with the sun roof open in South Africa, especially if your a woman. If you make that mistake your very likely the be dragged out of your car through the sun roof and raped.

    There are times when some people aren't ready for freedom. Africa today is a perfect example where former European colonies were never prepared for independence and freedom. The entire African continent is a basket case today.

    The same can be said about the Arab Spring that Obama supported. The entire Middle East and North Africa are complete basket cases today. and Obama's foreign policies are responsible.

    Liberals hate me because I have an animosity towards socialist.. #### them them. All you have to look at the 100 MILLION people who have been murdered by internationalist socialist.
    I am so very much convinced about your oh-so-terrible experiences in South Africa and the hellhole it is, and I can only think how much Jetboogieman, a South African, and many other members of the forum also agrees whole-heartedly with you
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Data from the U.S. Treasury can never be manipulated, it is what it is just like your bank account is what it is. I use BEA.gov, BLS.giv, and the Treasury data, not CBO, not leftwing sites. All my data can be verified but why would you ever waste your time when it is so easy to buy what you are told by leftwing partisans who have no problem making you look foolish.

    The very concept of conservatism is based upon human behavior and human achievement. It is all about accepting personal responsibility where you spend in the name of compassion but actually get compassionate results, results that actual solve problems. Not once have I ever heard a liberal blame the individual for poor choices made and for personal mistakes. It is always blame somone else for individual failures.

    Love the personal attack, which is normally the case with liberals when they cannot refute actual data. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
    The very concept of conservatism is based upon human behavior and human achievement
    Is that a fact?? What do you base that fact on?
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Not for me. But then I'm retired. The tax cuts enacted under Bush...have been kept for 98% of the people. They'v been extended.



    We're coming out of recession. The more money injected into the economy, the more jobs are created. We have jobs bills that don't get voted on. And yes it comes from taxpayers. And in these circumstances that money put back into the economy is needed. We could invest in our infrastructure and rebuild the entire country and put millions to work, who will spend the money they are making on TV's or computers, or cloths or food, or a new car, get them off food stamps, have them paying taxes. An economy requires spending to move goods and services. That demand opens the doors for more jobs. And jobs are the most important issue rigth now. And yes, the Republicans did win in 2010. Your problem was that the people that got elected were set against governing, and the people lost their infatuation with what you offered in 2010. So you lost in 2012. When Repubs won in 2010, Obama had to make concessions to that decision. Now that table has turned.



    Which he does. That's why he got reelected. Who am I going to ask about this? A Conservative?? What you may think about his governing is a minority viewpoint. His approval ratings are in the upper 50% range. The GOP?? in the tank. And Congress is about 10%. The majority of the country agrees with him. He's not going to worry about appeasing a minority in this country that wants to block everything he does.



    No they don't. In fact Obama has slowed the rate of spending more than anyone in the past 60 years.



    Then you have a short memory. Obama was calling for closing the loopholes and deductions on Corporat jets, and yachts back in 2011. It was never just raising taxes on the top 2%. The loopholes were part of it. Romney capitulated on that because he knew he didn't have a winning hand.



    It wasn't a GOP idea. It goes back to 2011.

    Tue Jul 05, 2011 at 04:00 PM PDT.
    Obama calls for White House debt meeting on Thursday; Boehner opens door on loopholes?

    Obama: GOP tax breaks for corporate jets, closing loopholes hold up debt ceiling talks
    Washington : DC : USA | Jun 30, 2011 at 6:54 AM PDT

    Obama said; "It would be nice if we could keep every tax break there is, but we've got to make some tough choices here if we want to reduce our deficit. And if we choose to keep those tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, if we choose to keep a tax break for corporate jet owners, if we choose to keep tax breaks for oil and gas companies that are making hundreds of billions of dollars, then that means we've got to cut some kids off from getting a college scholarship. That means we've got to stop funding certain grants for medical research. That means that food safety may be compromised. That means that Medicare has to bear a greater part of the burden. Those are the choices we have to make."

    Republicans hadn't even considered this at that point.



    But you don't. We already know that other guy doesn't. He needs talking points. So you would be a conservative because it's better than being a person that question conservatism? Sounds like you're an ideologue to the bone. Do you even question your beliefs? I mean...there is no justification for being a conservative, not that they don't try with appeals to authority like the other guy, or appeals to tradition. But those are not logically valid ideas for a justification for an ideology. So what is it based on? Do you even know? How can I take somebody seriously when they don't even know why they believe what they believe?
    Citing material without a link avails you nothing. Either link it or dont post it at all. BTW, what was Romney's tax plan?

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Citing material without a link avails you nothing. Either link it or dont post it at all. BTW, what was Romney's tax plan?
    Romney's tax-plan usually depended on his audience.Kinda like a weather vane.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? You are retired? You are too old then to be so naive, gullible, and poorly informed. I retired in 2004 at the age of 57. Want to compare experience and bank accounts? I made it and people like don't think I am that smart so if I can make it why do we need the govt and Obama taking a bigger role in each American's life? Still waiting for answers to my questions, how many people are making minimum wage, who are they, and how long do they make that wage/
    Want to compare experience and bank accounts?
    you don't want to go there junior.

    I made it and people like don't think I am that smart
    Really? What do you think gives them that impression? Like maybe it's the way you express yourself?

    Still waiting for answers to my questions, how many people are making minimum wage, who are they, and how long do they make that wage/
    That depends. How many people are out of work and willing to take anything? As for who they are, I don't have their names and phone numbers, but you can look at the labor statistics to get an idea. How's that sound? And they'll make that wage until they can find something better. In the meantime they have bills to pay.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Romney's tax-plan usually depended on his audience.Kinda like a weather vane.
    Coming from someone who backs a Chicago pol, that doesnt mean a damn thing.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    First, go back and find anywhere in this thread where I attacked anyone...THEN you can accuse me of what I'm doing...



    Now, please explain how calling McCain a putz is not a personal attack...then explain how you are not guilty of what you falsely accused me of...

    junior indeed...
    Now, please explain how calling McCain a putz is not a personal attack
    A personal attack would be directed at you. That's what makes it, you know..personal. You aren't McCain are you? Didn't think so.
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