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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Translation: APACHERAT is incapable of providing a rebuttal.

    FYI, say that AFTER you show someone to really not understand the topic. It's not an actual rebuttal. It's suppose to be a summary after you have demonstrated your opponent's ignorance. Not your actual argument. Seriously. Learn the basics. Kthxbye.
    Wrong my little comrade, APACHERAT is just tired right now. The Rat is away from home and earlier today (yesterday) split almost a half of cord of wood with an ax. At my age, I'm feeling the pain. If I were a liberal, I would have hired an illegal alien to do the job or someone with a hydraulic log splitter.

    But talking about sea skimming nuclear tipped missiles and Russian bombers dropping nukes, even though today's bombers are used to deliver low yield nuclear cruise missiles shows you don't know what your talking about.

    China, Russia and the United States are very unlikely to ever use nuclear weapons. That's the whole idea of having a nuclear arsenal, the threat of nuclear annihilation. It's been the nuclear arsenal that has prevented another major world war. Instead we have small proxy wars.

    Israel is very likely use nukes for it's survival.

    South Africa got rid of their nukes when they saw that the communist / socialist terrorist were going to gain control of their country.

    The big threat is North Korea, Pakistan and soon Iran and their nukes and they seem not to be to worried being incinerated by our nukes if they were to use their nukes. That's the problem.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Thats not an insult. Commenting on your sense of denial is a statement of fact.

    Let me know when you are ready to try a real conversation rather than a partisan laced tirade full of proganda, blather, and idiocy. Thats an insult---about your posting habits.

    Know the difference between fact and opinion. It's an insult. That's a fact. The insult to conservatives and their Tea Party brothers came in the video. That's a fact. Your response to that video is a reaction that was expected. That's what it was designed to do. Your response demonstrates that it worked. Fine. That's another fact. It' not an opinion. Your posting in response to it, proves the point. It provoked the expected reaction. Saying that I'm in denial is an opinion but it comes from a defensive posture so that's expected. Accusing me of "denial" begs the question, according to who? Based on what authority? Well there is no authority so the accusation has no basis. An opinion can't be based on itself. That's circular reasoning, and you wouldn't engage in that. So the opinion is biased. You can't demonstrate the opinion as true. So it's not a fact. it's an insult. And that's a fact. The difference here is that the video was a comment on conservatism and it certainly was insulting. It was meant to be. But it wasn't personally directed at you. If you identify with it, then I can understand your feeling bruised. Your insult however, was in FACT...personal.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The sky hit the ground about 4 years ago when your incompetent President ignored all reason and focused on passing a private sector killing health Care Law. He also passed a stimulus law that was supposed to go to "infrastructure" and create "shovel ready jobs" but instead he parsed it out to public sector unions and bankrupt green energy companies.

    You folks whined about a inherited debt of 1.3 trillion but failed to note that close to 800 billion was TARP.....that Obama voted for. You pushed the narrative of "tax the rich" as a way to increase revenue knowing that it was a manufactured concept to divide the class's and get reeeaally dumb people to vote for a Democrat.

    You pushed the lie that Obama after 4 years is suffering from a "Great Bush Recession " when the collapse in 2008 was caused by a Democrat mandated bubble that was caused by Clintons 1995 Executive Order that changed the way banks conformed to the CRA rules and HUD who was given regulatory power over the GSE's to force them to buy up massive amounts in junk loans on the tax payers dime and then bundle those loans with good mortgages and push them out onto investors. Some of you are so ethically and morally corrupt you blame that on the banks.

    The Liberals have nothing of substance to offer when their confronted with reasoned objective data other than resort to childish antics and tactics.

    You all cheered the 3.1 GDP numbers until it was pointed out to you that it was because of massive Govt spending and when the economy shrank you surpassed all expectations and blamed the lack of spending when total Fed outlays were 900 billion in the third quarter. That was an increase from the second quarter.

    You guys actually argue the debt isn't a big deal and we should be spending more when you have no concept of the damage that's being done to future economies.

    The absolute best after 4 years that your ideology can offer is to run the debt up to 16 trillion, encourage a Central Bank to falsely inflate the short term bond market with printed capital, increase the number of people dependent on the State, offer no net new jobs and STILL sink an economy as 50 million people are currently on food stamps, 1 in 6 in poverty and almost 9 million jobs have been deleted form the labor force.

    You accuse Conservatives and the GOP of racism but ignore the disproportionate high unemployment rate for blacks.

    Your States are bankrupt, your politicians are pathological and your cities are corrupted and filled with black on black violence, but for years you ignore it waiting for the 20 innocent white children to be gunned down by a lunatic to push your insipid and worthless gun control agenda.

    So try to remember this when you continue to post more drivel.

    People can smell a manure salesman a mile away. And no one want's any thing he's offering and at the core of every Liberal is the remnants of at least one great Compromise.


    The entire post is drivel. Normally I'd pull a few quotes out and respond. But this post is crap on rye.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    searching thread for "dodd" recovered eight entries
    turns out only post 1042 addressed your assertion
    YOUR post
    and again, there was no cite proving those democrats were the most funded politicians of the investment industry
    however, as post 1048 power rob shared with us the republicans he found to actually be the pols who most benefited from the investment industry's largess based on my experience to date, i will have to rely on rob's presentation instead of yours unless you can offer a cite showing your statement to be correct and rob's to be in error
    Its what I expect from you Bubba. See what I bolded ? Where you label it as "pols who most benefitted .......... ". Go back and look at Rob's post #1048. Its not the list of pols who most benefitted, which my link actually was, it was actually a list of 3 pols whose top contributers were in Securities and Investments, but NOT that they were the top beneficiaries of such. You see, one need not look far to find many other politicians in Congress who took more money than Rob's three.

    For instance, on Rob's list, Mitch McConnel took in $1.6 m over that 6 year stretch (the highest of Rob's 3), but if one looks at such as Chuck Shumer, for instance:
    Charles E. Schumer: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Senator 2012 | OpenSecrets

    Chuckie took in $2.8 M from S and I. Far more than Boehner or McConnell. The fact is that the "Securities and Investment" section of the economy is the top source of campaign funds for many pols. When they are not, "Lawyers and Law Firms" are, at least for Dems. BFD.

    I'll remind myself not to bother with you again. Comprehension is not your friend ..........

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Its what I expect from you Bubba. See what I bolded ? Where you label it as "pols who most benefitted .......... ". Go back and look at Rob's post #1048. Its not the list of pols who most benefitted, which my link actually was, it was actually a list of 3 pols whose top contributers were in Securities and Investments, but NOT that they were the top beneficiaries of such. You see, one need not look far to find many other politicians in Congress who took more money than Rob's three.

    For instance, on Rob's list, Mitch McConnel took in $1.6 m over that 6 year stretch (the highest of Rob's 3), but if one looks at such as Chuck Shumer, for instance:
    Charles E. Schumer: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Senator 2012 | OpenSecrets

    Chuckie took in $2.8 M from S and I. Far more than Boehner or McConnell. The fact is that the "Securities and Investment" section of the economy is the top source of campaign funds for many pols. When they are not, "Lawyers and Law Firms" are, at least for Dems. BFD.

    I'll remind myself not to bother with you again. Comprehension is not your friend ..........
    and i notice there is still no cite offered to substantiate your assertion
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and i notice there is still no cite offered to substantiate your assertion
    Look two posts past. Look to #1170.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Look two posts past. Look to #1170.
    thanks for that!

    so, the span includes 1995-2008
    and three of those four democrats ran presidential campaigns during that span
    color me surprised [/s]
    dodd does not surprise me ... especially when we examine whose name is on the dodd-frank bill
    but you have conflated presidential campaign contributions with those of senate races, trying to make your apple appear to be an orange ... orange ya?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thanks for that!

    so, the span includes 1995-2008
    and three of those four democrats ran presidential campaigns during that span
    color me surprised [/s]
    dodd does not surprise me ... especially when we examine whose name is on the dodd-frank bill
    but you have conflated presidential campaign contributions with those of senate races, trying to make your apple appear to be an orange ... orange ya?
    No doubt, but McCain ran a Presidential campaign also, and he's not on the list. However, my main point all along was to illustrate 1) that Rob's numbers meant virtually nothing; and 2) that the Dems were up to their necks in the mess from start to finish, aka the "blame Bush" era.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    The entire post is drivel. Normally I'd pull a few quotes out and respond. But
    this post is crap on rye.
    Your capitulation is noted.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No doubt, but McCain ran a Presidential campaign also, and he's not on the
    list. However, my main point all along was to illustrate 1) that Rob's numbers meant virtually nothing; and 2) that the Dems were up to their necks in the mess from start to finish, aka the "blame Bush" era.
    They were not only up to their necks in it, they mandated its funding through the GSEs.

    Andrew Cuomo used to head up HUD and in 2000 committed 2 trillion to the buying up of affordable mortgages.

    So, they elected him Governor of NY

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