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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post

    You know how stupid this whole thing is?? There is nothing stopping congress from NOT letting it happen. They voted to do it. They can vote to undo it. Just repeal it.
    Adagio, President Obama said he would veto any bill that would repeal the sequestration.

    The sequestration idea came from the Obama White House.

    Obama signed it in to law.

    Personally I think it's close to treason using our national defense as a pawn. If the Defense budget is only 20 % of the federal budget, why should the military take 50 % of the cuts if sequestration happens ?

    During Obama's first term he had already initiated $500 Billion dollars in defense cuts and he wants more !

    As you have pointed out before, G.W. Bush kept the funding to fight a war against terrorist and two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan separate from the normal defense budget.

    When Obama became POTUS he combined the cost of fighting the wars in to the defense budget. This should have been done day one on 9-12-01.

    That's why when you look at defense spending today it seems on paper that defense spending has increased under Obama but you don't see the huge defense cuts Obama has already made.

    I'm one of those conservatives who believed that there should have been a war tax that every American paid and that means every American including the 48 % who pay no individual income taxes at all.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    And the sky is falling!
    The sky hit the ground about 4 years ago when your incompetent President ignored all reason and focused on passing a private sector killing health Care Law. He also passed a stimulus law that was supposed to go to "infrastructure" and create "shovel ready jobs" but instead he parsed it out to public sector unions and bankrupt green energy companies.

    You folks whined about a inherited debt of 1.3 trillion but failed to note that close to 800 billion was TARP.....that Obama voted for. You pushed the narrative of "tax the rich" as a way to increase revenue knowing that it was a manufactured concept to divide the class's and get reeeaally dumb people to vote for a Democrat.

    You pushed the lie that Obama after 4 years is suffering from a "Great Bush Recession " when the collapse in 2008 was caused by a Democrat mandated bubble that was caused by Clintons 1995 Executive Order that changed the way banks conformed to the CRA rules and HUD who was given regulatory power over the GSE's to force them to buy up massive amounts in junk loans on the tax payers dime and then bundle those loans with good mortgages and push them out onto investors. Some of you are so ethically and morally corrupt you blame that on the banks.

    The Liberals have nothing of substance to offer when their confronted with reasoned objective data other than resort to childish antics and tactics.

    You all cheered the 3.1 GDP numbers until it was pointed out to you that it was because of massive Govt spending and when the economy shrank you surpassed all expectations and blamed the lack of spending when total Fed outlays were 900 billion in the third quarter. That was an increase from the second quarter.

    You guys actually argue the debt isn't a big deal and we should be spending more when you have no concept of the damage that's being done to future economies.

    The absolute best after 4 years that your ideology can offer is to run the debt up to 16 trillion, encourage a Central Bank to falsely inflate the short term bond market with printed capital, increase the number of people dependent on the State, offer no net new jobs and STILL sink an economy as 50 million people are currently on food stamps, 1 in 6 in poverty and almost 9 million jobs have been deleted form the labor force.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post

    Adagio, President Obama said he would veto any bill that would repeal the sequestration.

    The sequestration idea came from the Obama White House.

    Obama signed it in to law
    The House also wrote it.

    The PowerPoint That Proves It

    Personally I think it's close to treason using our national defense as a pawn. If the Defense budget is only 20 % of the federal budget, why should the military take 50 % of the cuts if sequestration happens?
    It's also treason to hold the economy as a pawn. That didn't stop the GOP. Furthermore, Defense spending has expanded massively over the past decade. Why shouldn't the military take 50% of the cuts with massive growth since 2001?

    During Obama's first term he had already initiated $500 Billion dollars in defense cuts and he wants more!
    Actually, if you paid attention to what Obama actually said, he doesn't want more. He has come out repetitively against it. Interestingly enough, ACTUAL deficit hawks in the GOP are for the cuts.

    I'm one of those conservatives who believed that there should have been a war tax that every American paid and that means every American including the 48 % who pay no individual income taxes at all.
    Aside from the fact that would complicate an existing system more, it's not a bad idea. But the GOP in the past decade hasn't really had any taste for balanced budgets.
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The House also wrote it.

    The PowerPoint That Proves It



    It's also treason to hold the economy as a pawn. That didn't stop the GOP. Furthermore, Defense spending has expanded massively over the past decade. Why shouldn't the military take 50% of the cuts with massive growth since 2001?



    Actually, if you paid attention to what Obama actually said, he doesn't want more. He has come out repetitively against it. Interestingly enough, ACTUAL deficit hawks in the GOP are for the cuts.



    Aside from the fact that would complicate an existing system more, it's not a bad idea. But the GOP in the past decade hasn't really had any taste for balanced budgets.
    Your moniker suits you well...
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    [QUOTE=obvious Child;1061492795]Furthermore, Defense spending has expanded massively over the past decade. Why shouldn't the military take 50% of the cuts with massive growth since 2001? QUOTE]

    Because there are a whole lot of Islamist who want to kill you.

    Also the Peoples Republic China plan to deny the U.S. Navy free transit through the South China Sea in the next ten or twenty years. In fact they are planing to challenge all navies. That's why almost every country in the Western Pacific / Eastern Asia are rearming and building up their navies while Obama is slashing our navy.

    Those defense cuts that Obama has already made during his first administration will have a significant negative impact upon our national security twenty, thirty years in the future. The Air Force is on record saying fifty years.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Get back to me when your boys eat as big a hamburger on this issue as this lady just did the other day shown in this four minute vid...



    This is soooooooo worth the watching.
    Which has nothing to do with the point that I had made. However, if you want to find croneyism in housing, as has been noted, the four top recipients in the Senate of funds from the housing crooks during the bubble were Obama, Kerry, Dodd, and Hillary Clinton.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Which has nothing to do with the point that I had made. However, if you want to find croneyism in housing, as has been noted, the four top recipients in the Senate of funds from the housing crooks during the bubble were Obama, Kerry, Dodd, and Hillary Clinton.
    that is interesting
    how about a cite for it
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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is interesting
    how about a cite for it
    Earlier in the thread somewhere. You can Google some results on it quicker than I can dig it up.

    Regardless, Warren was grandstanding. I can't recall the last time DoJ went full trial on anything corporate. And I don't know that the end would justify the means. If you can't put an actual entity in jail, then what's the point ? Its a civil case ! In regular life, how many civil cases settle ? Prolly over 95%. Her only valid point is that Government will make examples of the little guy, which I hate to admit, but that is the nature of every level of enforcement against the masses, cause you can't catch everybody. Government has to do that. But she was not advocating to end that. She was advocating showboating nonsense. To champion her "gotcha" is misguided.

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is interesting
    how about a cite for it
    Its public knowledge Dodd was a huge recipient of money from Countrywide, they were his top donor for re-election.

    How about this:
    Countrywide Mortgage Scandal - SourceWatch
    Participants in the V.I.P. program included Senators Christopher Dodd, (D-Conn.) Kent Conrad (D-ND), former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson, former Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala, and former U.N. ambassador and assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke. These individuals allegedly received better mortgage offers than ordinary buyers, leading to half point mortgage reductions and the waving of fees. [1]

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    re: SOTU Address:[W: 378; 1310; 1451]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is interesting
    how about a cite for it
    Took me a bit to dig up one of the sources that I was using:

    Housing Bubble, Financial Crisis – What Happened, Who is Responsible | TJ Hancock

    Its a long article. Very long. But scroll down the the section "Political Contributions - Personal payola". This is just FF, but its a start. The entire article is a very informative read, even with its partisan slants.

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